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1a. Re: Jul17 inflections
From: neo gu
2.1. Re: Conlanging Software Wish List
From: Arnt Richard Johansen
3. paired-word adverbs
From: neo gu
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1a. Re: Jul17 inflections
Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2013 6:57 pm ((PDT))
I've made _some_ progress with the Jul17 documentation:
http://qiihoskeh.conlang.org/cl/o/Jul17/L3Intro.htm
A lot of suffixes need to be filled in. And the pronouns. I'm wondering if I
should have distinct number in 3rd person pronouns, given that definite nouns
don't distinguish number. Also, I haven't figured out what the obviative is
doing in this language. There's a bunch of other stuff that needs to be
improved.
Comments?
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2.1. Re: Conlanging Software Wish List
Posted by: "Arnt Richard Johansen" a...@nvg.org
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2013 1:17 am ((PDT))
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 06:09:20PM -0400, Patrick VanDusen wrote:
> So let me ask you, the professionals; what sort of functionality would you
> look for in conlanging software? What features would appeal to you?
I would like a tool to help with non-agglutinative morphology.
A framework I use a lot to help make the regularity less obvious is Word and
Paradigm Morphology, as presented in David Peterson's LCC1 talk.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z6lYZzLN-A
and slides: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc1/Peterson-6slides.pdf
This means that you have a set of rules, and then you apply those rules to a
lexical item to make up a paradigm of inflections or derivations.
Doing this by hand is rather time-consuming and error-prone, so it would be
helpful to be able to automate it somehow.
--
Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
Löylyä lisää, ei tunnu missää.
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3. paired-word adverbs
Posted by: "neo gu" qiihos...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2013 6:38 am ((PDT))
In Jul17, each noun or pronoun is paired with a verb and vice-versa. The noun
or pronoun precedes the verb. It's been a challenge to fit adverbs into this
framework.
Manner Adverbs
I already had syntax for depictive secondary predicates, as in:
giannixraspe to:to:dic.
gianni-xraspe-0 to:-to:di-0-c
John-angry-SEC 3AS-leave-AOR-FAC
"John left angry."
However, manner adverbs are different from depictives, although they use the
same inflections. A manner adverb simply uses "manner" as its noun part.
fo:xraspe giannito:dic.
fo:-xraspe-0 gianni-to:di-0-c
manner-angry-SEC John-leave-AOR-FAC
"John left angrily."
Inherently adverbial words are treated the same way:
fo:pifte cattutompetic.
fo:-pifte-0 cattu-tompe-ti-0-c
manner-fast-SEC cat-run-HAB-PRS-FAC
"The cat runs fast."
Degree Adverbs
Degree adverbs are used with adjectival words. They can be absolute, as in
"five feet high", or relative, as in "2 years older". A degree adverb uses a
number or other quantity word as the verb part and a units word as the noun
part.
woman-exceed-SEC year-two-SEC man-old-CPR-PRS-FAC
"The man is older than the woman by two years."
Degree words such as "very" and "slightly" are handled the same way:
pound-many-SEC dog-heavy-PRS-FAC
"The dog is very heavy."
woman-exceed-SEC year-many-SEC man-old-CPR-PRS-FAC
"The man is much older than the woman."
Temporal Adverbs
Temporal adverbs, specifically time-when words were the hardest to figure out;
I had to do the others before I could come up with a solution. One difficulty
is that I don't know what kind of calendar is used, so the solution has to be
general. The noun part is something like "day" (of the week or month) or
"month". There are a couple of things that can be used for the verb part.
First, ordinal numbers can be used:
day_of_month-3-ORD-SEC John-leave-FUT-FAC
"John leaves on the 3rd."
Another desirable thing to use is names. This is a problem because names are
nouns, not verbs. What has to be done then is to use a suffix to derive a verb
from the name (currently called N2V for noun-to-verb; I need a better term).
This looks like month-name-N2V-SEC. Common nouns use the same form.
day_of_week-sun-N2V-SEC John-leave-FUT-FAC
"John leaves on Sunday."
There are still some special cases to be worked out, such as, "Which day does
John leave?" Since "which" is marked by a prefix, the verb part needs to be
filled by something else. Words such as "day" and "night" are also not yet
determined. And things like "the 3rd day of the 10th month" are complicated.
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