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1a. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
From: Padraic Brown
1b. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
From: C. Brickner
1c. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
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1a. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:10 am ((PDT))
Chapeau! Congratulations on reaching the big 5-0-0!
But, what is this Lexember you mention?
Funny: " basically all the senses of English "step",
except that _uge_ cannot refer to the steps of a ladder "
because, at least in my English, ladders don't have steps
at all. They have rungs. Stepladders do have steps, though,
but only three or four. Much more than that and the thing
morphs into a propper ladder with rungs. :))
" "walk" is a complete collection of "steps" " That I like.
Padraic
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On Tue, 17/9/13, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 17 September, 2013, 7:57
Hi everyone!
It's time to celebrate again! Back on the 23th of March 2012
I had sent an
email celebrating the addition of the 200th lexeme to the
Moten dictionary.
Today, just 1 year, 5 months and 25 days later, I've reached
the next
milestone: the Moten dictionary now contains exactly 500
entries! That's
300 lexemes added in that time, i.e. on average about 1.1
word created
every 2 days! Quite a feat given how I always agonise over
each word added!
I must admit that last year's Lexember and the one currently
running helped
a lot in reaching that stage that quickly!
Back then, the 200 lexemes corresponded to 343 glosses. That
ratio has
changed a lot, as the current 500 lexemes correspond now to
1272 glosses!
(i.e. on average 2.5 glosses per word. Polysemy is king
here!) To be fair,
I did add glosses to existing words, to make their semantic
domains more
well defined and make clearer, where needed, how specific
Moten words
differ from their translations.
Now, what is this 500th entry in the dictionary? It's the
stem _ugejuge_,
used in the intranitive verb _jugejugej_: "to step, to
walk", but also as a
noun _ugejuge_: "walk, stroll, hike". Once again, it's a
very good example
of how much care I put in creating vocabulary in Moten:
_ugejuge_, despite its shape, is not onomatopoeic in nature
(the
onomatopoeia for the sound of footsteps in Moten is
_pakipak_). Rather,
it's the reduplication of _uge_ (499th lexeme in the
dictionary ;)): "step,
pace; footstep; stage, phase" (basically all the senses of
English "step",
except that _uge_ cannot refer to the steps of a ladder).
Reduplication, in
this case, has a sense of "all of the X". Basically, a
"walk" is a complete
collection of "steps" :). The verb, then, is just derived
from the noun
through zero-derivation (a not extremely common but not
unknown method of
deriving verbs from nouns).
As indicated by the glosses, _uge_ has a literal meaning of
"paces,
footsteps", but also a figurative meaning: "phase, stage".
This extends to
_ugejuge_ as well, which besides "walk, stroll" also means
"list of steps,
list of instructions", and to the verb _jugejugej_, which
can mean "to step
(through a list of instructions)".
Note also that _jugejugej_ only means "to walk" in the sense
of "to perform
the physical activity of walking, to pace, to step". There's
another verb
_ibnamagi_ (literally "to foot-go") for the sense of "to
travel on foot".
To illustrate the difference, the sentence "my boy could
already walk when
he was 10 months old" would use _jugejugej_, while the
sentence "I'm
walking to the mall, do you need anything?" would need
_ibnamagi_ instead.
_ibnamagi_ also contrasts with _jemagi_ (literally "to
river-go"), which
means "to travel using some mode of transportation (other
than one's feet)"
(and not only "to sail", unlike what its etymology
indicates). There is no
generic word for "to travel". If necessary, one can used
simply _jagi_: "to
go".
So there, Moten's 500th lexeme is _ugejuge_. And
incidentally, this
milestone coincides with St Hildegard's Day, patron saint of
language
creators! If that's not worth at least a small party I don't
know what is!
Finally, about the post title:
For the 200th word milestone, the post title was
_Teoskananvoti Dabolnea_:
"the time for a celebration". This one _Oskana|not Tedve|l
Dabolnea_ simply
means "the time for another celebration". Here's the
interlinear:
oskana|not tedve|l
dabolnea
oskana|not te-t<v>el-i
daboln<e>a
celebration FIN-other<GEN.SG>-GEN moment-<ART>
Besides the ever-present surdéclinaison (the adverbial
phrase _oskana|not
tetel_: "for another celebration" is over-inflected in the
genitive case so
as to be able to modify the noun phrase _dabolnea_: "the
moment"), this
phrase also illustrate how in Moten inflections appear at
phrase rather
than word level (inflections of the phrase _oskana|not tel_:
"another
celebration" only appear on the last word of the phrase,
here the noun used
as adjective _tel_: "other", rather than on the phrase head
or all the
words of the phrase).
Cheers,
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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1b. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
Posted by: "C. Brickner" [email protected]
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:05 pm ((PDT))
----- Original Message -----
Hi everyone!
Now, what is this 500th entry in the dictionary? It's the stem _ugejuge_,
used in the intranitive verb _jugejugej_: "to step, to walk", but also as a
noun _ugejuge_: "walk, stroll, hike". Once again, it's a very good example
of how much care I put in creating vocabulary in Moten:
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The Senjecan word that I had for âstrollââ was a compound of two verbs
which I found very cumbersome. So, being inspired by Christopheâs message, I
decided to form it in another way. Senjecas has two prefixes for diminutives,
â-k-â and â-l-â. All Senjecan verb roots are monosyllabic, of the form
(C)(V)VC-. If I add a diminutive suffix to the verb root, I can convey the
idea of gently, easily, leisurely, partially, etc. Thus, ânéðaâ, walk, can
be changed to ânéðlaâ, stroll. The speakers of Senjecas prefer â-l-â
to â-k-â, but â-k-â would be used to avoid a geminate consonant:
âdilaâ, disclose, reveal, manifest > âdilkaâ, hint, imply, insinuate.
Lenition may be necessary: âtéédaâ, burn [of the sun] > âtééðlaâ, tan.
BTW, âhikeâ is translated by a compound verb that I donât find so
cumbersome: âÈútaâ, wander, and néðaâ, walk, > Èuþnéðaâ.
Charlie
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1c. Re: Time for Another Party! Oskana|not Tedve|l Dabolnea!
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" [email protected]
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:35 am ((PDT))
On 17 September 2013 18:07, Padraic Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chapeau! Congratulations on reaching the big 5-0-0!
>
>
Thanks! I didn't think I'd get there so quickly!
> But, what is this Lexember you mention?
>
>
Read this:
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.nl/2013/01/lexember-month-of-moten-words.htmland
this:
http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.nl/2012/11/lexember.html for more
information. Basically it was an idea of Mia Soderquist and Pete Bleackley:
for a month, create one word per day for your conlang(s), and post it on
Twitter with the hashtag #Lexember, and on Google+ (and maybe on Facebook,
but as I'm not there I can't tell if there's also a #Lexember thread
there). The first Lexember event was last year in December, and since the
1st of September we've been running the second Lexember month :). It's a
fun and playful way to increase one's conlang's vocabulary and close
semantic gaps. As everyone post their words as they create them, we can
inspire each other with new words we wouldn't have thought about otherwise
:).
> Funny: " basically all the senses of English "step",
> except that _uge_ cannot refer to the steps of a ladder "
> because, at least in my English, ladders don't have steps
> at all. They have rungs.
Funny, Wiktionary gives as first definition for "rung": "A crosspiece
forming a _step of a ladder_; a round" (emphasis mine). So at least some
people have ladders with steps :). I know that's the word I learned (I
don't think I've ever heard the word "rung" before, at least not in this
context). Maybe a British vs. American English thing, or something more
complicated again...
Then again, things tend to get complicated with those things. I mean,
"stair" seems to be able to mean either a single step in a staircase or an
entire staircase depending on the speaker!
> Stepladders do have steps, though,
> but only three or four. Much more than that and the thing
> morphs into a propper ladder with rungs. :))
>
>
Well, some people like their ladders simple and just populate them with
steps :P. I'll try to remember the word "rung". Since in Moten _uge_
doesn't refer to the steps of a ladder (or a stepladder), once I've defined
the word for that in Moten, I'll have to remember to gloss it as "rung" as
well ;).
> " "walk" is a complete collection of "steps" " That I like.
>
>
It does kinda make sense, doesn't it? :P
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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