There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: UCSUR Request
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
1b. Re: UCSUR Request
From: Paul Bennett
1c. Re: UCSUR Request
From: Rebecca Bettencourt
2a. Hangul
From: C. Brickner
2b. Re: Hangul
From: Adam Walker
2c. Re: Hangul
From: Daniel Bowman
2d. Re: Hangul
From: Siva Kalyan
2e. Re: Hangul
From: Padraic Brown
2f. Re: Hangul
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
3a. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon
From: Adam Walker
3b. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon
From: Galen Buttitta
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1a. Re: UCSUR Request
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 6:36 am ((PDT))
Hallo conlangers!
On Wednesday 09 October 2013 11:32:56 Paul Bennett wrote:
> Couldn't find anywhere on the UCSUR site to make a request (maybe I
> just didn't look hard enough).
>
> I'd like to get a block of 16 characters for the Old Terzemian
> alphasyllabary. I think the glyph names would be (in order)...
>
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PI
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PA
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE PU
> OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER P
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TI
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TA
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE TU
> OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER T
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KI
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KA
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE KU
> OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER K
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RI
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RA
> OLD TERZEMIAN SYLLABLE RU
> OLD TERZEMIAN LETTER R
>
> I don't have the exact glyph shapes worked out yet, but I should be
> able to get something rough & ready for at least temporary use fairly
> soon.
I cannot help you with your UCSUR request, but I must say that
this is a very small alphasyllabary, with only four consonants
and three vowels, apparently extremely underspecifying.
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1b. Re: UCSUR Request
Posted by: "Paul Bennett" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:16 am ((PDT))
Yes, Jörg, it's very, very, very underspecifying. It's more of an aide
memoire notation system than a full writing system, I suppose.
However, it is a writing system in so much as people draw words using
squiggles.
In short, "P" stands for any labial stop / fricative / affricate, "T"
for apical, "K" for laminal / glottal, and "R" for anything else. The
three vowels are the three "logical" vowels of the vowel harmony
system (which has three logical groups of three logical vowels, with
the six surface forms /i 1 u e o a/).
--
Paul
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1c. Re: UCSUR Request
Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 9:58 am ((PDT))
Hi Paul,
If you can put together a proposal including some description of the
writing system and the names of the characters as you've written here,
and post it somewhere, I can add it to the UCSUR and link it to your
proposal. It doesn't necessarily have to be very long and detailed;
the existing proposals between E150 and E64F, for example, are rather
short.
Is there already a code range you use? If not, E6F0-E6FF looks like a
perfect spot.
-- Rebecca Bettencourt
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Paul Bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, Jörg, it's very, very, very underspecifying. It's more of an aide
> memoire notation system than a full writing system, I suppose.
> However, it is a writing system in so much as people draw words using
> squiggles.
>
> In short, "P" stands for any labial stop / fricative / affricate, "T"
> for apical, "K" for laminal / glottal, and "R" for anything else. The
> three vowels are the three "logical" vowels of the vowel harmony
> system (which has three logical groups of three logical vowels, with
> the six surface forms /i 1 u e o a/).
>
>
> --
> Paul
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2a. Hangul
Posted by: "C. Brickner" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:22 am ((PDT))
Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary.
Charlie
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2b. Re: Hangul
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:34 am ((PDT))
Like!
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM, C. Brickner <[email protected]>wrote:
> Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary.
> Charlie
>
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2c. Re: Hangul
Posted by: "Daniel Bowman" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:42 am ((PDT))
Wow, thanks! Can't wait to surprise the Korean postdoc in my lab by saying
"Happy 한글날!"
However, I will abstain from wishing him "Happy 조선글날" as that may cause a
diplomatic breakdown.
2013/10/9 C. Brickner <[email protected]>
> Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary.
> Charlie
>
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2d. Re: Hangul
Posted by: "Siva Kalyan" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 1:30 pm ((PDT))
The most neutral one would probably be, "Happy 훈민정음날" (in case you're
engaging in bilateral talks).
Speaking of which, if you can read Japanese (or classical Chinese), here's
an online edition of the Hunmin jeongeum (훈민정음, 訓民正音), the text in which
Hangul was first proposed:
http://www.tufs.ac.jp/ts/personal/choes/korean/middle/text/kairei.html
2013年10月10日木曜日 Daniel Bowman [email protected]:
> Wow, thanks! Can't wait to surprise the Korean postdoc in my lab by saying
> "Happy 한글날!"
> However, I will abstain from wishing him "Happy 조선글날" as that may cause a
> diplomatic breakdown.
>
>
> 2013/10/9 C. Brickner <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
>
> > Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary.
> > Charlie
> >
>
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2e. Re: Hangul
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 4:28 pm ((PDT))
Pffff. Flash in the pan. People will get over this minor fad soon enough
and go back to the hanja! ;))
It's not often one can pinpoint the date of promulgation of a whole system
of writing (let alone the author of that system).
Are there any conlangs out there where you know, within their concultural
context, of an exact date of promulgation like this? I can't think of any of
mine with such exact dates. In a couple cases, the inventor is known, and
perhaps a general date range, but nothing more specific.
Padraic
----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Brickner <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2013, 10:22
> Subject: Hangul
>
> Happy Hangul Proclamation Day, everyone! The 563rd anniversary.
> Charlie
>
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2f. Re: Hangul
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:28 am ((PDT))
Hallo conlangers!
On Thursday 10 October 2013 01:24:56 Padraic Brown wrote:
> Pffff. Flash in the pan. People will get over this minor fad soon enough
> and go back to the hanja! ;))
>
> It's not often one can pinpoint the date of promulgation of a whole system
> of writing (let alone the author of that system).
>
> Are there any conlangs out there where you know, within their concultural
> context, of an exact date of promulgation like this? I can't think of any
> of mine with such exact dates. In a couple cases, the inventor is known,
> and perhaps a general date range, but nothing more specific.
My Elves (the speakers of Old Albic) ascribe their writing system
to a cultural heroine. It is uncertain to which extent this is
true, but it is considered quite likely by modern scholars that
the script is indeed one invented by a single person, since it is
featural; also the date of promulgation is not known.
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1
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3a. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 5:31 pm ((PDT))
I'm one who is doing NaNoWriMo, but I will also be out of town the last
weekend of October (25-27). what is the proposed start date?
Adam
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Amanda Babcock Furrow
<[email protected]>wrote:
> Conlang Relay 21 will be starting soon on the [email protected] mailing
> list. If you'd like to participate and aren't on that list, please email
> [email protected] (the list manager) to join! Then send email to the list
> (not Irina) with the language you'll be using and the dates you'd be
> available
> to take your turn (you'll have 48 hours). People who can't participate
> in November due to NaNoWriMo will get first consideration for the October
> slots :)
>
> Thanks,
> Amanda Furrow
> Conlang Relay 21 relaymistress
>
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3b. Re: Conlang Relay 21 starting soon
Posted by: "Galen Buttitta" [email protected]
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2013 9:34 pm ((PDT))
I'd also like to know the targeted end date, if any is in mind.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm one who is doing NaNoWriMo, but I will also be out of town the last
> weekend of October (25-27). what is the proposed start date?
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Amanda Babcock Furrow
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Conlang Relay 21 will be starting soon on the [email protected] mailing
> > list. If you'd like to participate and aren't on that list, please email
> > [email protected] (the list manager) to join! Then send email to the
> list
> > (not Irina) with the language you'll be using and the dates you'd be
> > available
> > to take your turn (you'll have 48 hours). People who can't participate
> > in November due to NaNoWriMo will get first consideration for the October
> > slots :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Amanda Furrow
> > Conlang Relay 21 relaymistress
> >
>
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