I hope, Sandy and Yvette, that you do not even remotely think that I ever
asserted that the discrimination was the same. I broke my general policy of
avoiding debates on the subject of affirmative action solely to refute the
assertion that had been made that the family that started the New York Times
(a century, not a half century ago) had ALL the benefits of belonging to the
white race. I wanted to state what is a plainly true historical fact, and
I'm happy to hear other historical facts, but please don't take me as having
minimized or been ignorant of those facts.

Even though this email experience makes me want to return to my general
policy, I am going to go ahead and give in to the temptation to say that
women and gay persons are still excluded from some institutions that have
long accepted blacks. That may shed some light on whether longest period of
exclusion is the appropriate test of who has suffered the most. But then
again, I really do resist making calculations about who has suffered the
most, however I assume that in this country black people have.

Ann



"Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "In fact Jews and others could not walk through the door in
> many areas prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. "
>
>
> Having grown up, quite happily, in a small North Carolina town in the 1940s
> and '50s, I can testify from personal experience that there is simply no
> comparison between the treatment of Jews and of African-Americans prior to the
> Civil Rights Act of 1964.  I can remember one time when I was not allowed to
> join my many Christian friends in swimming at a country club pool.  That's it
> for any experienced anti-Semitism.  I also received Duke's highest
> scholarship, in 1958, at a time when Duke was still rigidly segregated.  (It
> does me no merit to admit that that didn't stop me from accepting the
> scholarship.)  Perhaps things were worse elsewhere in the South, but, frankly,
> I doubt that there was a single community, even in the most benighted hamlets
> in Alabama or Mississippi, where the treatment of Jews even came close to the
> daily humiliations visited upon African-Americans.
>
> sandy

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