When I saw Adam Liptak's article this morning, I clipped and highlighted
it.  Next semester's final exam in the making, I thought; State what's
wrong with this court ruling.  I agreed with Jim Maule.  But then I got
to thinking, this is too easy, picking on a local judge, particularly a
Florida judge, since Bush v Gore, based on reading cases in the
so-called ivory tower of academia.

I think this is more likely to be a tempest in a Conlawprofs teapot than
a national storm or cause for alarm.

I think there's more to this picture, so, here goes.

The following quote is from the article:

"It has alarmed experts in First Amendment law, who say that such orders
prohibiting future publication, prior restraints, are essentially
unknown in American law."

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First, I'm not so sure this is either a 'prior' restraint or is
alarming.  He's disparaged her already and he threatens to continue.
The order restrains a continuation of past (mis)conduct.  He's harassing
her.  The court has told him to stop for now.  That part is correct,
even if it involves speech.

I'm also assuming this is a temporary restraining order between former
domestic partners, at the start of a piece of litigation between only
them, where he has been taking verbal shots at her in the recent past.

Warring domestic partners frequently obtain ex parte TROs against each
other based solely on their sworn say-so from Family Courts which
require the former spouse, lover, or roommate not to contact, harass,
disparage etc., the other directly or indirectly to or in front of third
parties, especially in front of the kids.

Is this a violation of the First Amendment, a court order forbidding one
to say bad things about the other?  Is it content/viewpoint neutral? No.
Is it a prior restraint?  Maybe, but I'm not too sure because it's based
on past (mis)conduct.  I always have this problem telling when a
restraint is prior or past; you'd think I could've figured out the
difference between yesterday and tomorrow by now, but not from reading
cases so far.

Family Courts typically try to put out fires before the litigants start
shooting live ones at each other.  Their ex parte orders are temporary,
lasting maybe five days or so, for the few days before a hearing can be
arranged, more in the nature of an OSC. Family Courts are in the
business of preserving lives now so the litigants can enjoy their First
Amendment rights later.  It messes up the court process to have the
litigants taking shots at each other in front of others while we're
trying to calm things down to help people to move on, in peace.

I don't see the nation as going to perdition because the Family Court
tells one party to put a cork in it until we hold a hearing at which
both parties have the opportunity to appear.  The Florida Circuit Court
(which I presume is akin to a Family Court in this instance in the sense
it handles a volume of requests for TROs and OSCs in domestic cases)
told the man, Tucker Max, to steer clear of Katy Johnson's website.  If
she wants to portray herself as a saint, what's it to him?  They're
Splitsville.  He's supposed to be out of her picture.  Yet he wants to
link to her web site and pour rain on her parade?  Why can't she control
who links to her web site, or is that against the Internet Rules?  What
internet rules?  How about the ones we make up as we go along.  Oh,
First Amendment rules, that's different?  I'm not so sure, until I see a
case on it.

I see a big difference between the NYT reporting on the fight between
the former couple, and what Mr. Max does.  The local judge, however,
didn't restrain the Times from reporting on whether Katy's a hypocrite
or not.  Judge Diana Lewis merely told Max not to write about Katy on
his website, not Adam Liptak.  And not forever, but now, for the time
being, I presume from the context.

Had Max called the NYT and said, "My ex-girlfriend is running around
with other men and pretending she's a saint," I don't think the call
would've gotten past the receptionist.  But because this fight occurs
over the 'Net, and it's been restrained, it's news.

Isn't a TRO requiring parties not to verbally harass or disparage one
another a content-based, not viewpoint-neutral, government-mandated
restraint?  I don't recall any SC cases denouncing TROs as applied to
fighting domestic partners, as opposed to traditional broadcast media,
as undermining FA protections, or holding 'disparagement' or 'verbal
harassment' to be protected categories of speech.  I don't see a
personal web site as being quite the same as traditional broadcast
media.

My guess is the Court is more than likely to uphold a TRO prohibiting
temporary disparagement as a compelling state interest in preserving the
peace between two former domestic partners, as contrasted with the
somewhat lower value placed on Max telling the world that Katy is not
the lovely person she presents herself to be. Plenty of time for Max to
get his message out in other ways, later, than by messing up Katy's
attempt to try to turn what he believes to be a new but undeserved leaf.


Let the next 'buyer' beware of Katy without Max's help. Do we really
need to protect Max in his attempts to warn Katy's future friends and
admirers about his sad experience?  I think she's got a right of privacy
and a right to present herself to the world that trumps his alleged
speech right to disparage her and make her life difficult.  His duty is
to move on, quietly.

I see this right of Katy's as perhaps overlapping, but somewhat
different than her right to protection from defamation even if it's
'only the truth' he wants to tell about her.  It's her right to be free
from harassment and to control her own image, her public persona versus
his right to say it ain't so, constantly, because he's p.o.'d at her for
getting dumped, perhaps.  Katy is not Bill Clinton, and Max isn't Jay
Leno.

Ah, but she's taken to a public forum to proclaim her virtue, and that
should make a difference, right?  I'm not so sure we regard the 'Net the
same as we would, say, if Katy went on TV or took out ads in the local
newspaper proclaiming her virtue.  I think Max could then write a letter
to the editor and say, "I happen to know differently."  He could tell
his friends, face-to-face, that Katy isn't all that she makes herself
out to be.  But carrying on a continuing publication vendetta in public
has little value in conveying ideas.  Private vendettas are another form
of fighting words, that ought to go unprotected. Saying something once,
even the truth, may be fine, but continuing to do so at some point
becomes harassment and a violation of the right to be let alone.  Maybe
that's what Judge Lewis's order is about.

Can Max go to Katy's birthday party and tell all her friends and
relatives she's not-such-a-nice-person?  I don't think so.  I think
that's a bit like going into the local church, synagogue, or mosque and
telling the spiritual leader you don't like his message or his god
because it's unsupported by scientific research, etc.  You'll cause a
riot and unsettle the congregants.  FA doesn't allow that, does it?

I think there is, or ought to be, at least, a protectable privacy right
to keep from being harassed, meaning disparaged based on a different
image or viewpoint, i.e., content-based, in a forum like the Internet,
which means different things to different people according to how we use
it.  Some see it like conversing in an outdoor caf�, not quite the same
as mounting a podium and addressing the crowd, even tho' both occur in a
public place.  Maybe some places are more public than others.

I haven't checked out Katy's website.  It could be she's opened herself
up to a bite of criticism, perhaps even from Max, such as if she
referred to him.  But suppose she didn't?  Doesn't she have a right to
say "I'm really a good and wonderful person."  As of today, at least,
regardless as to how she may have behaved or been perceived last week.

On the subject of local-level courts compelling the giving up of
fundamental constitutional rights, the routine practice in criminal
courts in California is to require, as a condition of probation, the
giving up of the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search
and seizure and to submit to search of the person, vehicle, and
residence, in the daytime or the nighttime, with or without probable
cause, by a peace officer (cop, probation officer), particularly if the
convictioin involved contraband such as drugs or weapons.  We say, of
course, that the relinquishment was voluntary, and promotes a compelling
public interest in safety.  If local courts and prosecutors, on a daily
basis, pressure people into giving up textual protections of the Fourth,
I don't see the gravity of local courts requiring particular individual
more-or-less private litigants from continuing their fight in public for
awhile.

Eugene notes the issue of whether Katy has become something close to a
'public' figure in the NYT v. Sullivan sense by going onto the 'Net to
promote herself, her views, and how she would like to be seen and
consulted.

Suppose Katy did. Don't public figures have a right not to be constantly
harassed even if they did do things that legitimately subject them to
disapprobation in the eyes of some?  Or are public figures somehow
beyond redemption in the eyes of the First Amendment?  Does Bill Clinton
have to put up with Jay Leno forever?  Seems to me the First Amendment
takes cognizance of a period of repose, when things grow quiet, and
cannot be resurrected again with impunity.

It also occurs to me that Jackie Kennedy Onassis used to obtain
restraining orders keeping the paparazzi some distance away, impairing
their ability, in advance, as in prior restraint, to get the good
close-ups that really told some story they wanted to tell graphically in
the traditional press.

You wanted a viewpoint?

There it is, have fun.  Tell me what I done wrong, as I'm still new at
this conlawprofessing business.

Bob Sheridan
SFLS



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Thoughts? Something like "thank goodness there are courts of appeal...."

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        Any thoughts on this?

Adam Liptak, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/02/national/02INTE.html:


Katy Johnson, who was Miss Vermont in 1999 and again in 2001, uses her
[Web] site to promote what she calls her "platform of character
education."

"She is founder of Say Nay Today and the Sobriety Society," the site
says, "and her article `ABC's of Abstinence' was featured in Teen
magazine."

Tucker Max's site promotes something like the opposite of character
education. It contains a form through which women can apply for a date
with him, pictures of his former girlfriends and reports on what Mr. Max
calls his "belligerence and debauchery."

Until a Florida judge issued an unusual order last month, Mr. Max's site
also contained a long account of his relationship with Ms. Johnson, whom
he portrayed, according to court papers, as vapid, promiscuous and an
unlikely candidate for membership in the Sobriety Society.

The order, entered by Judge Diana Lewis of Circuit Court in West Palm
Beach, forbids Mr. Max to write about Ms. Johnson. It has alarmed
experts in First Amendment law, who say that such orders prohibiting
future publication, prior restraints, are essentially unknown in
American law. Moreover, they say, claims like Ms. Johnson's, for
invasion of privacy, have almost never been considered enough to justify
prior restraints. . . .

Judge Lewis ruled on May 6, before Mr. Max was notified of the suit and
without holding a hearing. She told Mr. Max that he could not use "Katy"
on his site. Nor could he use Ms. Johnson's last name, full name or the
words "Miss Vermont."

The judge also prohibited Mr. Max from "disclosing any stories, facts or
information, notwithstanding its truth, about any intimate or sexual
acts engaged in by" Ms. Johnson. That prohibition is not limited to his
Web site. Finally, Judge Lewis ordered Mr. Max to sever the virtual
remains of his relationship with Ms. Johnson. He is no longer allowed to
link to her Web site. . . .

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