Mark: 1. I think O'Connor's opinion means more admissions personnel must be hired.
2. Given that the posts have been about the Michigan case, I thought the meaning of "preferred" applicants was understood: the same groups the Michigan programs preferred (African Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans). Have a nice 4th. Scott Mark Graber wrote: >Professor Gerber misreads my post. I do not think for a minute that >schools will hire more administrative personnel. My question is, given >that they will not, what are permissible short cuts to resolve certain >problems. > >And I am puzzled by the meaning of "preferred applicants." Are football >players "preferred applicants." Students from Wyoming? > >Put differently, is the following illegitimate. Admissions officer is >very fond of Mahler and thinks the Chipmunk U. would be a better >institution if it had a very big (and good) orchestra (big being more >important for Mahler). Consequently, he or she makes every effort to >admit anyone with a serious interest in music. I presume this is okay. >So, what is the distinction between preferred and non-preferred? > >MAG > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/03/03 13:54 PM >>> >I don't think O'Connor's opinion gives schools the "out" Mark wants. >Schools are simply going to have to hire more admissions personnel and >pass the cost on to the students by increasing the costs of applying >and/or tuition. > >What I hope doesn't happen is that the admissions personnel search >during their individualized review for ways to admit preferred >applicants and reject non-preferred applicants. But that's what I >think is going to happen. > >SDG > > >Mark Graber wrote: > > >>I am wondering the extent to which our debate is over administrative >>convenience. Consider two examples. >> >>1. X produces irrefutable evidence that one of X's parents was denied >>admission in Chipmunk U. (see "How to Succeed in Business") because of >>state mandated racial discrimination. X also presents irrefutable >>evidence that his or her parent would have attended had they been >>offered admission and that X would have been offered admission had X >>been an alumni child. >> >>2. Y presents irrefutable evidence that had her parents been aware of >>the better kindergarten programs in her schools district and been able >>to afford violin lessons, X would have developed the credentials that >>guarantee admission to Chipmunk U. >> >>The problem with these hypotheticals, of course, is a) that these are >>matters on which irrefutable evidence never exists and b) that no >school >>has the wherewithal to be that thorough in admissions. You get 10,000 >>applications at a law school, you use lots of rules of thumb. >> >>My sense is that most people on the list would think it constitutional >>if Michigan had an admissions staff of 500 people who did thorough bios >>on all persons that resulted in white persons getting about the >>percentage of places they now get. The problem, of course, is that >>Michigan cannot afford to do this. So, if race is not a cost-effective >>way of securing the goals noted above, what would be a reasonably cheap >>way of doing it? >> >>Mark A. Graber >> > >-------------------------------------- > >Scott Gerber >Law College >Ohio Northern University >Ada, OH 45810 >419-772-2219 >http://www.law.onu.edu/faculty/gerber/ > -------------------------------------- Scott Gerber Law College Ohio Northern University Ada, OH 45810 419-772-2219 http://www.law.onu.edu/faculty/gerber/
