If one has a sufficiently robust notion of judicial power, isn't this the logical equivalent of seeking a declaratory judgment that it would be unconstitutional for the President not to veto a law because to sign it would violate his/her oath of office?  If Sheriff Jones announces that the police will come out in force to prevent a political gathering in the public forum, I presume that one can go to court immediately upon the announcement rather than wait until the police actually try to prevent the gathering.  (And, indeed, one can probably get injunctive, and not simply declaratory, relief.)    Is the difference in the two hypotheticals the fact that the President merely signs the legislation, he doesn't actually declare an intention to act upon it?   Or do we simply regard it as lese-majeste to bring the president to court when he announces an intention to violate his oath of office?  (I'm not advocating that suits for such injunctive relief are desirable, but I do wonder what the difference is between this and any other suit for a declaratory judgment based on anticipated future action.

sandy

At 02:13 PM 10/31/2003, you wrote:
Talk about your races to the courthouse -- in this case, before the fact!
 
The ACLU and CPR have each filed suit challenging the constitutionality of the so-called Partial Birth Abortion Act, which the President has not yet signed.   http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47078-2003Oct31.html
 
"We want the judge to be in a position to issue an order as soon as the bill is signed," said one of the attorneys. 
 
Anyone aware of any precedent for such a preemptive move?  I'm fairly certain no injunction could be issued before the bill becomes law.  But If the President signs the bill, can a court then issue an injunction in these suits?  I would imagine she could, because the originally unripe suit would have ripened in the interim between the filing of the complaint and the issuance of the injunction; but I don't think I've ever seen a case quite like this one.

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