Dear Michael, Thank you very much for your kind words and for this absolutely critical insight. You're right that the relatively short lifecycle of many devices is indeed a primary driver of the issue.
These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble for you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself so that we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place? I don't have much to add to your comments other than fully agreeing with you and wondering if the RIPE community can work together to lobby for changes – assuming that's something we're both able and willing to do. Best, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 PM Michael Richardson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for this. > I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep devices > in > productive use longer. The smartphone cycle is largely being driven by > planned obsolescence through lack of software updates. While few of us > here > are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE devices. > > No software updates means poor security, which pushes for replacement of > the > devices. > More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front, > and there still very little relationship between price paid and number of > years of supported software updates. At least, I believe this anecdotally. > It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief. > Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to > do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results? > > EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support time for > devices to be made clear at point of purchase. See > https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many > references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of which was > this morning) > > While the nic.cz Turris system is well supported, and very capable, I'm > not > any influence on big ISP purchasing. > What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract? > While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute to > openwrt, > it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I see either > big or small ISPs deploying. The big ones don't seem to care. The small > ones can't afford to take a risk. > > Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port switching > device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow), would > migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two years later, > it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment, or being > used for a multi-tenant CPE. I learnt this as a switch (chip) designer. > Is this still a thing? > > In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no longer a > thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized. Maybe SDN > is > changing this? Are there best practices in making purchase decisions that > support this migration of equipment? > {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE } > > Michael J. Oghia <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just published on > RIPE Labs > > about sustainable procurement practices: > > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community > > > I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to this group > as > > operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, and > > encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know how to > best take > > this forward (and also gauge interest). > > > Have a good weekend,, > > -Michael > > __________________ > > > Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager > > Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) > > Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter < > https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> > > GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Mirjam Kuehne <[email protected]> > > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM > > > Dear colleagues, > > > Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental sustainability. > > Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable procurement > > and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a difference: > > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community > > > Kind regards, > > Mirjam Kühne > > RIPE NCC > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Alternatives: > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > connect-wg mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/connect-wg > > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] [email protected] http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > > > > >
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