I second that motion!

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Michael Rogers <[email protected]>wrote:

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> Hellekin, thanks for that much needed intervention. I agree that "What
> is it you want to achieve?" is the question we should ask ourselves. I
> think we'll discover a surprising amount of agreement in our answers.
>
> Answering for myself, I want to support freedom of expression, freedom
> of association, and the right to a private life. I don't think current
> communication systems support those things well enough, so I want to
> build communication systems that support them better. I hope we're all
> more or less in agreement there.
>
> Where I think we differ is on the question of means. Some of us have
> been disagreeing on that question, more or less vocally, since we
> first met, and I don't expect we'll ever reach consensus.
>
> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.
>
> We don't have to agree about means. We don't have to find one
> approach, or one project, that we can all get behind and push. We can
> and should look at the problem from many angles, try many approaches
> in parallel, fork and merge, imitate and appropriate, reuse pieces we
> found on the scrapheap. THAT'S HOW SHIT GETS BUILT. Not by bickering
> about what "we" should be doing, but by each of us doing something.
>
> Which means it's time for me to shut up and write some code.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> On 20/11/13 16:17, hellekin wrote:
> > "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room! What is
> > going on here? I demand an explanation." -- President Muffley, in
> > Dr. Strangelove
> >
> > Interestingly, the conversation we're having on the GNU consensus
> > and the SocialSwarm mailing lists illustrate a critical point of
> > our struggle for privacy on the Internet: that the technology is
> > secondary to politics.
> >
> > When politics does the right thing, then technology can apply;
> > when politics goes wrong, whatever the technology, politics will
> > try and mussel it.
> >
> > The workshop at 30C3 is--in my remote understanding--mostly about
> > raising a common technical front for most-private-possible
> > implementations, to short-circuit politics gone wrong.  There is
> > an emergency on that front, as politics is way off the mark
> > regarding how user's privacy is constantly violated in electronic
> > communications. So we need not only to re-establish political
> > control, but also provide technically sound counterparts to the
> > will-to-watch-and-listen that all the politicians without exception
> > have been showing.
> >
> > I wish there was a bit more discernment in the reactions of all
> > parties involved regarding the objectives of our efforts.  This
> > lack of dialogue is counter-productive and no, I'm not interested
> > in whose fault is it.  We're not kids.  Just pull yourselves
> > together and stop whining.  What is it you want to achieve?
> >
> > == hk
> >
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