Echoing thoughts from:
Jeff K
Don V
Jerome G
Gabrielle T

I'll add: they DO have a good use: special events where you have a themed
shadow session.

In dance,
Julian Blechner
He/Him
Western Mass

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 5:04 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I have a few shadow swing dances in my collection. I don't know why I keep
> them because I don't call them.
>
> There is a history of problem dancers (PDs) in my area who are typically
> male presenting, and robins complain that these people stalk them, both in
> the dance hall and outside, hold them too closely, are rough, etc. These
> PDs also tend to make rude remarks, especially to LGBTQ+ dancers. People
> avoid them at all costs. There used to be a few folks I would avoid for
> those same reasons. To be sure, I always asked them to stop their
> troublesome behavior, but there was a handful who refused to comply.
>
> Forming a club of "acceptable only" dancers? No. Training those PDs is my
> goal, both as a caller and as a dance organizer. My fellow organizers and I
> have been taking statements from complainants, talking to the PDs about
> their behavior, and suggesting alternatives. If it gets heated we ask them
> to take a break from dancing until they can behave more politely.
>
> That's why I don't call shadow swings.
>
> To be clear, our community has, as a whole, gotten way more accepting of
> gender fluidity/queer, and is a very welcoming body. That means that folks
> who don't want to accept dancers they think are too different from them
> don't attend as often as they used to. It's also known in the area that we
> organizers don't tolerate bad behavior.
>
> I think if you told the dancers before line-up that you're going to call a
> shadow-swing dance it would give them a chance to choose their spots with
> that in mind.
>
> -Amy
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 7:39 AM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Prompted by some recent conversations, I’m curious how folks here feel
>> about shadow swings!
>>
>> 1. As a caller, do you:
>> A) not have an issue with shadow swings, and program them freely
>> B) not tend to program them just bc they don’t come up in your
>> repertoire, but have no issue with them
>> C) not program shadow swings as a matter of principle
>> D) some secret fourth thing (feel free to elaborate!)?
>>
>> 2. How do you feel about shadow swings as a dancer?
>>
>> Will weigh in with my thoughts later, both to avoid biasing the
>> conversation from the outset, and also because I’m currently in transit 😅
>>
>> Thanks for participating in the data gathering!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Maia
>>
>> --
>> Maia McCormick (she/her)
>> 917.279.8194
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