Pablo Saratxaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The problem of missing rpm packages in RC1 concerns various other
> packages as well, and it will be handled; it isn't a Chinese
> specific problem however.

indeed.
 
> > Details:
> > I initially installed using English with added Chinese language
> > support.  I changed KDE to use Chinese using the
> > "Accessibility|Country - Region and Language" setting. (where else
> > would the average user change this?)
> 
> You should do it trough localedrake; however... I see it doesn't
> appear in mandrake control center!

i do not remember the exact reason why but interface team never wanted
it to be visible (maybe was it because it can work without root
capabilities?)
dadou?

however, it's availlable through a menu entry in Configuration/Other
sub menu.

> I don't think KDE control center defines the needed things for the
> XIM methods.
> Maybe KDE should be patched so it calls localedrake in batch mode
> with the right values ?

isn't it already the case ?
laurent ?

> (localedrake defines language variables, but also input method and
> KDE default fonts; KDE language panel only defines language)
> 
> > By the way, quitting KDE does not go back to the graphical login
> > xdm mode (even though I am in runlevel 5).  This happens both when
> > auto-logging in and when manually logging in.
> 
> xdm (contrary to mode modern *dm) doesn't monitor itself to catch
> problems and reload. I don't know much about xdm; but it should have
> written some important logs into a log file before crashing; someone
> should tell where the file should be found.

anyway, kdm, mdkkdm and gdm are a lot saner regarding robustness or
l10n support (though they're quite slower to load on my old machine)
 
> > drakconf works fine with simplified chinese.
> 
> gtk2 programs are able of finding missing glyphs from other fonts if
> needed; so you never have the "square box" problem (unless you don't
> have any single font at all with those characters of course),

err, i did see that bug while testing chinese

for now, i can only reproduce it with traditional chinese but i
remember i had saw it for at least one other cjk language and one
"neither cjk nor latin" language.

eg: look at the box with 59.. numbers in "drakxtv --testing" for zh_TH:

<<attachment: 2.png>>

there's also another box with numbers one character right to the
"Radio" checkbox.

for now, only 


> > Redhad does this by default.  gdm seems to be able to do it.

as our gdm is able to (but see also other pablo's notes)

> > People need to be able to choose their language before logging in,
> > and not have to negotiate menus in English. Chinese speakers (who
> > have little or no English) have no problems using Redhat - it all
> > works out of the box.
> 
> It should be the same for 9.2, once the bugs get solved.

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