David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK, first let me say that I think your posts amount to a flame. This is
No I'm sorry this is not a flame. This is a fedup because many people are
not respecting "commonly agreed netiquette", and that makes me waste time
(and more important, miss important messages on this list).
> the same as saying "Using pine is wrong" or "Using RedHat is wrong"
> simply because you would prefer (maybe) if everyone used gnus and
> Mandrake. This is fine but do not force your opinion onto everyone... no
No. Reread my posts, there is nothing about that. I clearly specified that
I talked about gnus as a *possible* solution to efficient emailing. Also
note on my howto that I tell to pine and mutt users that this howto is
probably not for them.
Frankly, I don't care which email client people are using, and also which
OS (except proprietary ones). What I want is to be efficient with my
emailing because it costs me so much time.
> one else has complained about the way e-mails are answered.
Yes -- that's understandable from the non-Mandrake people; from Mandrake
people, that's also the case because even internally many people are not
respecting the email etiquette; also because many people here think it's
useless to tell that, because everyone will say "I don't care he's an
integrist, blah blah..".
FYI Chmouel posted the email etiquette on our internal mailing lists about
1 month ago.
> Now, to get to your response. This is a mailing list but not a
> newsgroup. Sometimes it is helpful to leave a short message as a
> reference to a user. I have no idea what this has to do with threaded
> messages (Could you explain?), and I also know that in France they do
If your email client is good enough you can find the parent article very
easily. As an example, ^ with gnus.
So if the person just want to post a general-purpose answer, it's useless
to quote everything, the guy probably just read the parent message 1
minute ago. If it's not the case (an answer the day after the parent
message for example), just push ^ in your gnus and it's okay.
> not read bottom to top, so that if a reply is at the top of a message it
> probably means that you don't have to scroll through the entire message.
> (Even this is hard for me on a 28.8 modem!)
Do you *really* think France is doing everything reverse that the rest of
the world? Do you think France is located near to Australia, in the center
of Africa, in the South Pole?? :-(
> I hope all this is not an attempt to get me to switch to gnus. In fact,
An attempt? I don't know. If you need a powerful mail client, it's here
for you. Nothing more from me. That's "information". I don't force anyone.
> I read the gnus HOWTO on your site a couple days ago, and though I'd
> like to try it... emacs has far too many sortcuts for me to remember!
> Then again vi is bad about that, too. If you wanted to post a GNU
> emacs/gnus shortcut reference on your site I may thn give it a try. Oh,
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/html/personal-homepage/html/emacs-quick-reminder.html
> and I do have to use emacs at work, so I don't hate it, I'm just having
> a hard enough time remembering the commands as it is.
Very strange.. Here in MandrakeSoft, 90% of the people use Emacs AFAIK.
(Well, everyone except Francis in fact..)
> Pine defaults to the top of a message when you hit "Reply", and I didn't
> see an option to change this. But this is bad, too! I don't want to work
> my way backwards through a message.
Every client is. You then have to scroll down and insert stuff at the
correct location. Also, your mail client should contain the shortcuts to
ease the removal of parts.
Also, if you want to go at the very bottom your editor should provide a
shortcut.
--
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
