I must agree with Locke on most of his points, even if I don't like to be as hard on
you as he.
About kdesu, I must say that I like to se a gtk alternative but can accept a qt-only
su. But currently I have kde installed mostly because of kdesu, I don't think this is
a good solution.
The other thing that I think is a bigger problem is the menues, I didn't know that it
was a KDE standard and I dont care about that (I'm dont hate everything just because
it's marked KDE... ;) ). They are too deep, if you only have the programs you use
installed they are all in it's own subdir. OK, if you have the full installation, then
it might make more sense... i don't know.
But wouldn't it be possible to have a viritual menu system, that then maps to teh
KDE/GNOME standards. It also would make it easy for the users to change the dir
structure... OK, I explain my ideas a little better:
Right now the packages are marked Amusements/Arcade or something like that, then you
generate a real menu from that and put it in the Amusements/Arcade sub menu. I suggest
to add a layer to this and add some rules to this, that might say that
Amusements/Arcade should go to another directory, like in the gnome case it might go
to Games/Arcade or something. This way it would be easier for me to flaten the menues
and still take advantages of the nice menu system.
Another problem I mentioned above is the zillion programs doing the same thing... I
must admit that it's nice to have my favourite tool installed automaticly, and it
might not be done if you didn't add everything! But I look at my girlfriend that's
only have been using linux for about a year, she doesn't have a clue what to use
unless I show her. And she complained to me that she couldn't find anything in the
menues. The problem she had was that there is too many simmilar programs. I suggest
that automatic installation installs a set tools that provide desired functionality,
no duplicats. If your favourite tool doesn't make it you should have used a more
powerfull installation variant. To this you could add a new installation alternative,
that let's the user select what kind of tools he would like to use KDE/GNOME/Tk/X or
what ever criterias you can find.
//Snaggen
At 03 October, 2000 Bruce A. Locke wrote:
>
> Hello...
>
> I was wondering if it was possible in the current version of cooker to
> install GNOME and not have any kde or qt packages installed. I do not
> need these packages as all the applications I deal with are gtk+/gnome
> based and I see no need to waste diskspace on kde/qt libs.
>
> I know with Mandrake 7.1 I had to force the removal of QT and various KDE
> libs because parts of DrakConf had needless dependencies on them. (I
> don't understand why Mandrake uses kdesu and doesn't bother using a gnome
> alternative for gnome desktops)
>
> Also, will this version make it easy to remove the "menu" package? I
> detest the KDE menu structure being forced upon GNOME. The menus are too
> deep and lots of worthless stuff is placed in the menus. I would like to
> install helix gnome without having to spend a half hour "de-kde"fying a
> system when I explicity told the installer I wanted GNOME, and not
> KDE. (if I have kde checked off, I do not want any of KDE installed... is
> that too difficult?) BTW, has anyone tried a helix gnome install on 7.2
> beta 3 yet?
>
> Also I have noticed there is something called QTCups? does this mean I
> will be forced to have QT installed just to print?
>
> Please CC: me as I am offlist.
>
> Thanks for your time....
>
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> Bruce A. Locke
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