But without looking through a list of 1200+ packages, there's no way to do
this. The recommended install selects dozens of packages of little interest
to 98% of users.
For instance, I don't have a Palm Pilot, yet there are probably 6
applications for working with one installed by default. If I had one, I
would be happy to find "pilot" in the RPM list and install what I wanted.
The same with emulators, and I'd guess at least 50% of the development RPMS.
I personally don't care what are on the CD's, but IMHO the default
installation should be trim, with minimal duplication and needless filler.
If something I personally perfer isn't there, I'll certainly know the name
if it, and I'll be able to install it. rpmsrate needs an overhaul, by
somebody with a discriminating eye and a heart of coal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim McKenzie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/10/01 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
The idea is that everyone can pick and choose which things you want.
Simply
don't install anything that you didn't want... Easy solution to that
problem
-Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] confused... lilo and grub
> Hi guys,
> I hope you don't misunderstand, but people are getting quite confused
> because the packages are too bloated. I'm not complaining, this is
just a
> compilation of suggestions. For example: there are 6 e-mail clients in
7.2: nmh,
> exmh, pine, mutt, balsa, etc and I personally believe that it's just
too
much.
> Then there are 3 news clients (excluding gnome & kde's): tin, xrn,
slrn,
etc.
> Having 2 choices are good enough. Then there are 10 or more editors
that
have
> the same function: GXEdit, gedit, nedit, yudit, latte etc... why :-(
Then
> there are several IDEs, but the only **usable** one, IMHO, is only
XWPE -
both
> for X-Window and console. There are packages like xmame, xmess,
Basilski
> (those are emulators that almost only 2% of the populations that use
them
and the
> extracted RPM size is large!). Then there are 3 dhcp client :
dhcp-client,
> dhcpxd, dhcpcd. Which one is the most usable and the one that has more
> features? I know Chmouel have explained that some of them don't work,
so... can we
> choose only 1 instead? Do people really need Dosemu and XDosEmu still?
I
don't
> know... I don't think so. Then there are weird developmental languages
like
> ghc, happy, hugs98, mercury, whatever and most programmers only use:
> C++/C/Objective C, Perl, LISP, Fortran (for compatibility with old
unix
apps) and
> some in Pascal. That's the large percentage of language used, but
stuff
like
> ruby and whatsoever :=( .... Then the quality of packages like
> /usr/X11R6/bin/ico <- what kind of a joke program is it? I know
they're
from X11R6-contrib...
> but still it's really useless..
>
> I'll send a diff to Pixel for rpmrate tonight.. there are some missing
stuff
> (not rated) there too..
>
> The more RPM packages that we have, the more:
> 1) User will think that Mandrake is bloated, just like this guy said
here:
>
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-03-09-016-04-SC-MD-0000
>
> 2) The more security vulnerability. This will damage our reputation.
Just
> eliminate Zope ( > 5 security vulnerability in the last 3 months!) ,
throw
it
> away. We really don't need a very low performance Zope. Zope is very
slow
> compared to PHP, and it's quite resource hog.
>
> 3) The less the packages the better we can concentrate & focus on
> optimizations, speed, and security.
>
> Trim down stuff that are not going to be used by people, such as xrn,
slrn,
> etc. Or.... :-(
>
> I don't know, this problem is just getting to complex and it seems it
can't
> be denied that unless developers decide to really trim it down, it's
gonna
be
> a super bloatware.
>
> Am I making sense here?
>
> Prana
>
> > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> >
> > > So sprach Prana am Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:06:57AM -0500:
> > > > Why is there 2 bootloaders? Lilo and Grub?
> > >
> > > Because some people like to use lilo, as hard as this is
imaginable.
> > And
> > > the rest sticks with grub.
> > >
> >
> > Why is it hard to imagine? After searching for half an hour and
having
> > found NO usable grub documentation, I decided I can just as well
forget
> > it.
> >
> > -andrej
> >
> >
>
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