Don Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> > I used redhat before working for mandrake. Once I tried all. The system
> > was completely fucked up.
>
> Have you tried it with 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, or 7.1? That's what we've been
> using in our classroom setups for two years now, and it works flawlessly
> (although Red Hat had some kickstart bugs around 6.1).
As far as I remember, this must have been with 5.1 or 6.1.
Note that maybe this bug was created by something else.
[...]
> > Honestly I don't understand why "everything" would be so useful. When I
> > install a new system, I often do some "urpmi" (which is a really useful
> > tool) and voila...
>
> You have to look at it from a different perspective, especially ours, from
> the training center. I feel that urpmi is a great tool, and it will soon be
> in our curriculum as something to teach, especially for the advanced
> classes. But for our beginner classes, our new ILTs, we need a
> pre-installed system that has as much as possible to (1.) show what Linux
> has, and (2.) give the trainer as much flexibility as possible when it comes
> to choosing what he wants to teach in this class.
I understand.
> > The main problem is that it would need special testing to have this
> > feature work flawlessly, and we believe it's long work (time of full
> > installs...) and dirty (make special cases to remove the package which
> > create most problems), and moreover we would need more attention from the
> > packagers. It's sad to say, but most packagers at mandrake don't care
> > about their packages. Even if I do more by myself, I can't do everything,
> > including my other duties!
>
> Okay, then why does Cooker exist? IMPLEMENT AND WE WILL TEST! That's what
> we're here for, silly!
Please stay polite with me as far as I don't insult you... :-).
The Official Implementer (tm) for this kind of feature would be pixel
AFAIK. But we're all very scary to implement this.
> As far as the package managers, it's really sad that they don't care about
> their packages. I only wish that (1.) I spoke French, (2.) I lived
You don't need to speak french, man! We have many foreigners who work for
us (usa, china, germany, spain) and the required language is english, no
more.
> somewhere near where you guys had offices (I left early.. I moved out of San
> Fran 2 years ago..), and (3.) I was better with RPM/package building and
> maintainence and stuff so that I could get a job there and help you guys.
>
> > Or use a postinstall script (in the auto_inst), or at first boot, that
> > will call "urpmi" with all the needed leaves...
>
> Yes, this is an option. This would probably work better than trying to
> solve rpm -Uvh * problems.
Of course :-).
> > I sure understand your way of thinking. But please consider my arguments.
> > We would need a "safe" and "working" Everything install, which is IMO hard
> > to achieve. Also, consider all the critics for open net ports, conflicting
> > packages that break many things, etc.
>
> I think that if you implemented it, you'd find that the Cooker community
> would be happy to help fix the problems, taking a lot of the testing and
> such out of your hands.
>
> 7.2 had the slider bar that allowed you to choose 100%, is it really that
> difficult to put back in? I guess I'm just not seeing how it could be that
> hard. Regardless of the difficulty in testing the thing, as I said, that's
> what Cooker is for. Don't want the feature advertised yet? Make some
> obscure boot prompt option on the boot.img, "linux everything" or something.
> That way we can at least try it out and test it for you.
Unfortunately this kind of options are not any more of our choice (slider,
install all, etc).
I think the best would be that you contact Florent Pitoun
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and discuss the reintegration of the slidebar
and the "install all" directly with him. Could you do that?
--
Guillaume Cottenceau
