I think we should try and finish this thread up, because it really is not productive until 8.2 is shipped, but there are some things that must be said.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 13:45, Brad Felmey wrote: >> On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 13:17, Ben Reser wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:49:10AM -0600, Brad Felmey wrote: >> > > I don't have the time, much less the willingness, to roll my own distro >> > > CDs, and I'd reckon neither do the majority of overworked admins (let >> > > alone whether they have the competence to do so). Mandrake will *NEVER* >> > > be taken seriously in business circles with this kind of release snafu. >> > >> > In the time it's taken you to write all these emails you could have >> > rolled your own CDs. >> >> Thank you, you get the award for missing the point. So I make my own - >> do you think I get to control every Mdk 8.2 CD coming into the company? >This was really snippy. I'm sorry - let me try again. >I cannot control the entry of Mandrake CDs into the company. I can make >them for myself and whomever I can give copies to, but that may or may >not be all of them. For our conversion to work, and for me to be able to >successfully wring blood out of the company turnip for MandrakeSoft, I >need stability, and I need it out-of-the-box. I don't have a legion of >Linux gods at the ready. All I have are warmed-over NT admins, only some >of whom have any real hope of being anything more. It's miserable, but >it's what I have to work with. Believe me, every company I've worked for >is in a similar situation. Pointy-clicky; yes. Hand-edit /etc/lilo.conf >after updating a kernel right out of the box? Er, maybe down the road. These are the questions I have for you: 1)Have your NT admins learnt to keep their machines up-to-date? If not, then you have bigger problems. Any other OS is the same, updates _MUST_ be done, and regularly. Mandrake makes is easy for you to do updates. 2)You may have missed the point of changing the kernel-naming convention, but it was actually to ensure that you _DON'T_ need to do anything besides run Mandrake Update to update the kernel safely. Hand-editing of config files: not necessary, Pointy-clicky: yes. 3)If you can't control the software your NT admins are installing, you are also going to have problems. I really believe that if you spend about 1-2 hours on the whole job after Mandrake 8.2 is released, you can sort the whole problem out. Whether that is by setting up an updates box and mandating the running of updates, or by creating custom ISO. Ideally, this isn't the way it should be done, but the reasons have been explained, and I don't think there is much point in debating the issue until the ISOs actually ship, and/or the updates are officially announced. I am sure you will get assistance if you need help to find a solution. Buchan
