----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Vignaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] [TV cards] bttv question
> Florent BERANGER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, about drakxtv bugs. Sorry if it's out of topic but I think that > > drakxtv need to be upgraded. > > there's no bug in not configuring something that cannot be configured ? In http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/cooker/2002-11/msg00160.php message, the author says that he have to configure something manually. It's just a little bug, don't formalize please. > > > > > > i quote you : "drakxtv doesn't handle all bttv cards" > > > > > > > > yes, some bttv cards doesn't works fine (no sound, only one channel > > > > as described in > > > > http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/cooker/2002-11/msg00160.php ) > > > > > > you speak of totally different things: > > > > > > - support of cards supported by bttv, which we do fine for quite some > > > time > > > > > > - support for other devices (such as dvb, saa7134, usb video, ...). > > > for each new case we added, we need to think before doing > > > anything. so are they webcam or real tv tuners ? > > > > They are TV cards in user view. > > all i want to know is if they support chanell selection ? no scantv with actual driver (see : http://www.emuit.com/webcam.html for more info). > > > My only concern is that all TV cards will be handle by drakxtv that : > > > > - configure it if it need to be configured (bttv cards for exemple) > > > > - display a messagebox that the card is autoconfigured (usbvision > > cards for exemple) > > > > - display a messagebox that the card isn't supported yet / the > > driver is in alpha step (and display the link of project web page > > for info) / have a proprietary driver (and display the link of > > driver web page for info) > > > > Sorry if it wasn't clear before ;) > > from what you wrote, i understand these usb devices are not tv tuners > but just are more similar to webcam than to tv tuners. It's not easy. These cards have a TV tuner (Philips SAA711x for info), the windows driver scan it but the linux one is in progress. > > drakxtv point was to configure bttv cards since when i arrived at > mandrakesoft, tv cards where hard to configure at : > - kernel side : bttv didn't autoconfigure most tv cards at that time > - user side : xawtv had no wizard to write a configuration file (even > no scantv at that time) yes, you do greet works, I don't says the opposite ! > > obviously, there's no problems on kernel side with usb devices. > what is left is user space applications. > > if these cards are not tv tuners, aka they don't support v4l ioctl to > select frequencies, but only enable apps to grab images, there's > nothing to do. Just inform the user that he's TV card is handled. > > from what you wrote, it seems they don't support these ioctl. > > so why do you want a wrapper to display bogus messages box ("we've > nothing to configure but i just want to say you 'nice day'") instead > of just running xawtv, which is just what we currently do. > > i can accept your changes regarding harddrake::date *IF* these usb > pets don't have the right class (can you provide me the info displayed > by harddrake?) Ok, no problem. I'll send it to you. > > i won't apply changes that say "nothing to configure" instead of just > running the right application. > > if you think i missed something, prove me i'm wrong but stop this > "spamming attitude" where you repeat always the same thing on public > ml to force people doing something (draxtv, glibc, ...) instead of > giving valid arguments. It wasn't my intention. Sorry if you have consider this thread as spam, I'll try to be more carefull in future. > > obviously, if your usb devices are just webcams that've nothing > to configure or that need to be configuring, then your mails sayging > "drakxtv is buggy" are just plain lies. I didn't says that. I only saw 2 problems : - handle all TV cards - a little bug in drakxtv > > which i don't accept gratuitously. Sorry/"D�sol� si tu l'as mal pris" Don't formalize on it. > > a free software world doesn't meen free insults regarding quality of > softwares. I don't want to insult somebody and I think didn't insulted one. I develop GPL softwares too. And I repeat your software is quality (I only use Mdk at home). That's normal that software have bugs. I don't blame you, I only focuses on little problems, don't formalize please. > > > > if they're just webcam, then there's no point in offering to > > > configure them in drakxtv since we cannot do anything. > > > webcam're managed through devfsd/hotplug/dynamic and appears > > > automatically on desktop.> > > > > kwintv is broken). > I hope it's the end of this thread, Florent
