http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2068
------- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-03-05 21:38 ------- Still valid. In fact, since Galaxy-kde is still extremely buggy, I'd urge you to consider making the KDE default selection in FirstTime be Keramik and not Galaxy. You don't want to dump users into a desktop with a buggy widget style. :-( ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------- Reminder: ------- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: Hi, I am opening up this report as a followup to bug #1277. That bug was closed since Galaxy is meant to fill the unified theme concept that I suggested that Geramik should serve as. Unfortunately, Galaxy KDE has numerous severe bugs, and it appears it probably won't be up to the speed of official KDE themes like Keramik or Hicolor by the time of release -- or at least it will require a lot of time (see bug #1966). Worse, since KDE users have (and expect) the ability to select color schemes, just like Windows users, if they do so, the GTK/GTK2 side of Galaxy no longer matches the KDE side. Because the GTK/GTK2 side has hard coded colors (see bug #1967), KDE cannot change the colors, and Galaxy makes no attempt to. Result: new user assumes Linux and/or Mandrake Linux has buggy color selection if they just go with the defaults throughout setup and get a KDE desktop. Thus, here is what I would suggest: keep Galaxy the default for both KDE and Gnome if the user selects Gnome or some other desktop during Mandrake First Time. However, if the user instead selects KDE, go with the bug-tested and highly lauded Keramik style with Geramik as the GTK/GTK2 theme. Its a win-win situation. Gnome users mind a slightly buggier and non-fully-color changing KDE theme because they mostly use GTK apps (presumably) and can't change colors anyway. On the other hand, many/most existing KDE users already *love* Keramik, it looks great, is very fast and usable, and has a color matching, fast GTK theme to go with it. I'm not sure, but it seems to me, since Mandrake First Time tries to adjust the settings to whatever desktop the user picks, picking a different theme for KDE and GTK depending on which desktop was chosen is a Good Thing. (tm) In all, if you take into consideration what your users want, the general consensus is that they want this functionality. Since the majority of new users to Mandrake are coming from Windows, which also has this functionality, you can assume they expect (and not just want) it too. Since you can provide it to KDE users using MDK First Time without any ill effects to those who choose some other D.E./WM instead of KDE (since MDK First Time would only make the change for KDE users), you can be assured that this would be a very big step in to the right usability direction. I believe this is most definately a usability bug -- not just a possible enhancement -- and if nothing else, I'd propose that you ask Mandrake Club users and let your paying customers say what they think. :-) The best part about this suggestion, is that it doesn't have a negative issue for those not using KDE. For instance, Fredrick Crozat seems to be largely against the idea of making Galaxy do color matching because that isn't a Gnomish kind of thing to offer (since GNOME doesn't normally even let users select colors). So, with this setup, that's just fine: GNOME users, employing galaxy-kde and galaxy-gnome, get a consistant desktop that acts the way GNOME "should." Likewise, KDE users, employing Keramik and Geramik, get a desktop that acts the way KDE "should." Everyone ends up happy that way, and the new user will find the desktop much more consistant. As you may know, this is something that has been discussed previously on Mandrake Cooker, and I fear if it is not taken into consideration soon, it will be too late to avoid this issue in 9.1. Quite frankly, visual appearance is what is going to sell Mandrake the first time someone uses it. This is Mandrake's chance to make the best possible sale. Additional information from the cooker list: http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg08481.php http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg08617.php http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg08700.php http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-01/msg08843.php http://ofb.biz/archives/kde-cafe/2003-February/001606.a Thanks, Tim
