Thank you, Nicole.  That makes sense.  I'm glad you explained that it
won't translate on a clamshell grill, for that's the only type of
grill I use, so I won't be using this method.  However, it's a great
method to pass along to those who do use outdoor grills.

Jennifer

On 7/19/16, Nicole Massey via Cookinginthedark
<[email protected]> wrote:
> This is from "Consider the Fork", a book on the history of cooking utensils
> and elements, including fire, kitchens, and the like. It came from a French
> chef. The book is available from Bard, and I found it an interesting read.
> (listen, whatever)
> This is for cooking on an open grill, so it won't translate to a clamshell
> grill like the George Foreman. With your secondary hand poke yourself
> lightly on the big fleshy end of your palm at the base of the thumb with the
> index finger of your dominant hand. Now take your index finger and your
> thumb and touch them together. You'll feel that fleshy part as it firms up a
> bit. That feeling you're feeling right there is how a medium rare steak
> should feel under  your utensil. Now add your communication finger next to
> it. That's medium, and adding your ring finger will tense things up a bit
> more for medium well. If all your fingers are together arched so the index
> finger touches the tip of the thumb that's how well-done should feel. And
> with no fingers touching that's rare.
> I like this because it's a touch based system instead of one that depends on
> sight, and it allows me to translate things in case the recipe doesn't do
> things in a blind friendly way.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Chambers via Cookinginthedark
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:46 PM
> To: [email protected]; Charles Rivard <[email protected]>
> Cc: Jennifer Chambers <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [CnD] My thoughts on Recipes on the List
>
> Nicole, you stated things very well.
>
> Moving away from the subject, I have a question about something in your
> post: You mentioned the palm test for grilled steaks.  I thought I was
> familiar with all types of doneness tests, but I haven't heard of that one.
> Would you explain it, please?  It may have been mentioned in a recipe that I
> deleted, so I beg your pardon if I'm asking for repeat instructions.
>
> Jennifer
>
> On 7/19/16, Charles Rivard via Cookinginthedark
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Who is this list designed for?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole Massey via Cookinginthedark
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:02 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Nicole Massey
>> Subject: [CnD] My thoughts on Recipes on the List
>>
>> I've been reading the responses, at least the ones I get, (I filter
>> some folks here because of their interaction style, so I don't get
>> everything in
>>
>> my inbox) and there are a few things that I think might be good to
>> consider.
>> First, not everyone here is completely blind. Blindness is a wide
>> array of visual situations, so what may be completely inaccessible for
>> someone might
>>
>> be no problem for another. Are we also expected to account for
>> neuropathy, which is a common adjunct to a couple of the most common
>> reasons for later onset blindness? If we do then we're going to get
>> very few recipes after all
>>
>> the possible factors are accounted for.
>> We are blind people functioning in a sighted world. This means it's a
>> good idea for developing coping mechanisms. If a recipe is completely
>> free of any
>>
>> sighted elements that's great, and I support the "Tried and True"
>> label in the message subject for those recipes. But we don't live in a
>> world where others are going to do things just so we can participate
>> equally, so we have
>>
>> to work out or ask to find out what these visual cues mean in terms of
>> time,
>>
>> texture, and scent. I make sure to do this whenever I'm posting a
>> recipe from one of the cooking sessions I attend once a month. But I
>> also ask the chef what "when the juices run clear" means and other
>> useful things like the
>>
>> palm test for grilled steaks, as just one example. Learning these
>> skills will open up Avast array of recipes for you to use and make you
>> far less dependent on assistance from others.
>> One more thing -- Dale Campbell owns this list. Steve Stewart moderates
>> it.
>>
>> And they've been crystal clear in their list rules -- if you've got a
>> problem, take it to them. Don't. Post. It. On. The. List. "Maling list
>> cops"
>>
>> tend to solve nothing and create more discord themselves. Let the
>> folks who
>>
>> run the list handle things, like they've asked us to.
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