On 18 Dec 2020, at 11:29, Eliot Lear wrote:

> My friend, what makes you think that root servers will even be relevant in 
> just a few years?  For all intents and purposes, they may well have moved, 
> without anyone having noticed, from their nicely distributed view today, both 
> geographically and politically, to… Cloudflare + one or two others.

He he he...

I think it is important in the discussions we do not mix up discussions about 
the root server operators, distribution of the root zone, and the root zone 
service. Yes, interchanged a bit and mixed as in any Venn diagram, but still a 
bit separated.

That said, it is not ME that see the importance, it is EU Commission that do.

And that by itself might be a discussion item for this WG.

> If the browsers are going to be sending queries over DoH to Cloudflare or 
> even just to their own infrastructure, aren’t they the root servers?  Maybe 
> occasionally they will query to see if something has changed, but they can 
> decide whether to accept that change.

I think at least we in the EU will discuss this during 2021.

> That is the concern that the commission and ENISA should seriously consider.

They to some degree do. See the paper on "the need to create a European DNS 
service".

   Patrik

> Eliot
>
>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 17:15, Patrik Fältström via cooperation-wg 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 16:29, Marco Hogewoning wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> Over the last few days, the European Commission has published a number of 
>>> proposals and strategy documents that lay out its plans for the digital 
>>> economy. These include the Digital Services Act (DSA), the Digital Markets 
>>> Act (DMA) and a policy document outlining the European Union's 
>>> Cybersecurity Strategy for the Digital Decade.
>>>
>>> We are currently working through these documents to assess their impact on 
>>> our operations, the multistakeholder ecosystem and the Internet at large. 
>>> However, we’ve already seen that the cybersecurity strategy document makes 
>>> a reference to our role as one of the DNS root server operators based in 
>>> the EU, with a plan to "assess the role of these operators in guaranteeing 
>>> that the Internet remains globally accessible in all circumstance.”
>>>
>>> We have issued a short public response to this point in particular, which 
>>> you can find here:
>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-response-to-the-eu2019s-cybersecurity-strategy-for-the-digital-decade
>>>
>>> Any feedback you might have on this statement is welcome.
>>
>> FWIW, as a root server operator being based in the EU we at Netnod fully 
>> support what you wrote. Our views are very similar.
>>
>> Patrik Fältström
>> Technical Director and Head of Security
>> Netnod

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