Matt, I'm reading Lee Siegel's "Against the Machine" and his argument echoes
your thoughts about codification. After a short description of the idea of
"prosumer" Siegel asks: "How did the egalitarian, self-expressing,
hierarchy-busting, anti-exclusive Internet end up standardizing its users?"

Siegel's book is not an academic one, but it is an essay of social
criticism. And I think we need to accomodate these questions (and Matt's
concerns -- which I share) into our discussions.

-Bill A

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Matt Cooperrider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
> Robert,
>
> I also fear the dark side of cooperation.  I am particularly concerned
> with what can happen when web technology enters the mix.  In order to
> take advantage of the scalability of the web, we must first codify
> ourselves and our interactions.  Humans are recast as modules with
> attribute sets and skill sets, our relationships are reduced to types
> such as friend/colleague/enemy, our trust and reputation are
> translated into numerical ratings.
>
> When the next grand narrative takes hold, we'll already be podified
> and prepared for deployment.  What's more troubling, this next
> narrative won't be embodied in a single persona; rather, it will
> emerge from the wisdom of the crowds and will thus hold a new kind of
> authority which will be tricky to dispel.  We desperately need
> critical tools to deal with these very real possibilities of
> cooperation co-option.
>
> Matt C
>
> On Aug 26, 7:35 am, Robert Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:29:10AM -0400, Frederica Clare wrote:
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:02 PM
> > > Subject: The Myth of the Tragedy of the Commons
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > snip
> > > [According to Hardin]]
> > > Inevitably, "the rational herdsman concludes that the
> > > only sensible course for him to pursue is to add
> > > another animal to his herd." But every "rational
> > > herdsman" will do the same thing, so the commons is
> > > soon overstocked and overgrazed to the point where it
> > > supports no animals at all.
> >
> > This, arguably, is simply an extension of the well entrenched
> > competition narrative fostered by the robber barons of the early
> > industrial age.  In the milieu to which Hardin contributed this gem it
> > was a fairly non-controversial argument, save that it pinked the
> > sensibilities of leftist academics, as I understand the time.
> >
> > snip
> >
> >
> >
> > > Friedrich Engels' account of the "mark," the form taken
> > > by commons-based communities in parts of pre-capitalist
> > > Germany:
> >
> > > "The use of arable and meadowlands was under the
> > > supervision and direction of the community ...
> >
> > > "Just as the share of each member in so much of the
> > > mark as was distributed was of equal size, so was his
> > > share also in the use of the 'common mark.' The nature
> > > of this use was determined by the members of the
> > > community as a whole. ...
> >
> > > "At fixed times and, if necessary, more frequently,
> > > they met in the open air to discuss the affairs of the
> > > mark and to sit in judgment upon breaches of
> > > regulations and disputes concerning the mark." (Engels
> > > 1892)
> >
> > At the time Hardin offered us TotC it was sufficient to invoke Engels
> > and find one had inescapably polarized the conversation.  Hardin's essay
> > gave folks "on the right" a seemingly solid argument against
> > communalism/commonism/communism.  That his essay begged the question of
> > what a rational actor would do is beside the point.  This wasn't
> > science, it was veiled polemics.  The problem was, and remains, that
> > with great names like Stalin and Mao and Hitler talking up socialism
> > even folks who think such ideals look good on paper are hard pressed to
> > maintain our committment to those ideals in the face of the atrocities
> > committed in the name of those ideals by these "great men of history".
> > The best the left and others interested in communal ideals could do was
> > play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and hope the monsters would just go
> > away.
> >
> > This is a thread of Cooperation Studies which is much on my mind, and
> > for which I have no traction, no footing, no hooks, the dark side of
> > cooperation, when cooperators do evil, and the propensity for evil in
> > concentrated action, the potential for loss of individual freedom,
> > dignity, meaning in the ocean of common action.
> >
> > I look forward to continuing to explore these threads with y'all.
> >
> > rl
> >
>

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