Just to reiterate
When coot (0.6.2-pre-1 Miramar (revision 2965) ) imports a DNA with PDB v3 
atom/residue names it converts them to v2 atom/residue names... except for the 
C7 of Thymidine which remains C7 instead of being renamed C5M.
Cheers,
Scott

On May 26, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Scott Classen wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> here is one representative DNA base from my input PDB:
> 
> HETATM 2795  P    DT D   3      35.132 -34.748  -8.254  1.00 72.83           P
> HETATM 2796  OP1  DT D   3      34.082 -34.846  -9.292  1.00 80.59           O
> HETATM 2797  OP2  DT D   3      35.991 -33.545  -8.152  1.00 69.11           O
> HETATM 2798  O5'  DT D   3      34.440 -34.961  -6.827  1.00 73.70           O
> HETATM 2799  C5'  DT D   3      33.523 -36.031  -6.683  1.00 66.16           C
> HETATM 2800  C4'  DT D   3      33.012 -36.178  -5.257  1.00 60.11           C
> HETATM 2801  O4'  DT D   3      34.023 -36.716  -4.374  1.00 60.33           O
> HETATM 2802  C3'  DT D   3      32.463 -34.922  -4.587  1.00 59.89           C
> HETATM 2803  O3'  DT D   3      31.064 -35.096  -4.608  1.00 58.99           O
> HETATM 2804  C2'  DT D   3      33.001 -34.977  -3.156  1.00 60.10           C
> HETATM 2805  C1'  DT D   3      33.652 -36.352  -3.066  1.00 61.60           C
> HETATM 2806  N1   DT D   3      34.891 -36.374  -2.271  1.00 63.31           N
> HETATM 2807  C2   DT D   3      34.908 -37.067  -1.086  1.00 62.46           C
> HETATM 2808  N3   DT D   3      36.105 -37.034  -0.423  1.00 65.81           N
> HETATM 2809  C4   DT D   3      37.259 -36.396  -0.825  1.00 69.93           C
> HETATM 2810  C5   DT D   3      37.168 -35.687  -2.084  1.00 67.04           C
> HETATM 2811  C6   DT D   3      36.003 -35.711  -2.741  1.00 64.52           C
> HETATM 2812  O2   DT D   3      33.940 -37.659  -0.647  1.00 63.45           O
> HETATM 2813  O4   DT D   3      38.280 -36.444  -0.147  1.00 72.00           O
> HETATM 2814  C7   DT D   3      38.347 -34.949  -2.642  1.00 65.55           C
> 
> 
> If I inspect the residue by looking at residue info I see that the atom names 
> now have * instead of ' and the phosphate oxygens are O1P O2P instead of OP1 
> OP2. Oddly C7 remains C7? (which I believe is C5M or somesuch in the version 
> 2 atom names)
> 
> When I save the coordinates from coot they look like this:
> 
> 
> HETATM 2795  P    Td D   3      35.132 -34.748  -8.254  1.00 72.83           
> P  
> HETATM 2796  O1P  Td D   3      34.082 -34.846  -9.292  1.00 80.59           
> O   
> HETATM 2797  O2P  Td D   3      35.991 -33.545  -8.152  1.00 69.11           
> O    
> HETATM 2798  O5*  Td D   3      34.440 -34.961  -6.827  1.00 73.70           
> O    
> HETATM 2799  C5*  Td D   3      33.523 -36.031  -6.683  1.00 66.16           
> C    
> HETATM 2800  C4*  Td D   3      33.012 -36.178  -5.257  1.00 60.11           
> C   
> HETATM 2801  O4*  Td D   3      34.023 -36.716  -4.374  1.00 60.33           
> O    
> HETATM 2802  C3*  Td D   3      32.463 -34.922  -4.587  1.00 59.89           
> C  
> HETATM 2803  O3*  Td D   3      31.064 -35.096  -4.608  1.00 58.99           
> O    
> HETATM 2804  C2*  Td D   3      33.001 -34.977  -3.156  1.00 60.10           
> C    
> HETATM 2805  C1*  Td D   3      33.652 -36.352  -3.066  1.00 61.60           
> C    
> HETATM 2806  N1   Td D   3      34.891 -36.374  -2.271  1.00 63.31           
> N  
> HETATM 2807  C2   Td D   3      34.908 -37.067  -1.086  1.00 62.46           
> C   
> HETATM 2808  N3   Td D   3      36.105 -37.034  -0.423  1.00 65.81           
> N  
> HETATM 2809  C4   Td D   3      37.259 -36.396  -0.825  1.00 69.93           
> C    
> HETATM 2810  C5   Td D   3      37.168 -35.687  -2.084  1.00 67.04           
> C    
> HETATM 2811  C6   Td D   3      36.003 -35.711  -2.741  1.00 64.52           
> C    
> HETATM 2812  O2   Td D   3      33.940 -37.659  -0.647  1.00 63.45           
> O    
> HETATM 2813  O4   Td D   3      38.280 -36.444  -0.147  1.00 72.00           
> O    
> HETATM 2814  C7   Td D   3      38.347 -34.949  -2.642  1.00 65.55           
> C   
> 
> I can send the custom cif file if you'd like. Essentially I've just updated 
> the atom names and * to ' etc for the mon_lib_list.cif, AD.cif, CD.cif, 
> GD.cif, and TD.cif files.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Paul Emsley wrote:
> 
>> Hi Scott, 
>> 
>> Congratulations for being up to date with you pre-release version.
>> 
>> AD, CD, GD and TD are the filenames that Refmac uses to hold restraints for 
>> Ad, Cd, Gd and Td.  The PDB standard names are DA, DC, DG and TD so it is 
>> not clear to me what your custom cif files contain.  Coot renames residue 
>> name to match the dictionary.  I'd be very surprised indeed if Coot changed 
>> the atom names (as you said it did).  The Right Way, it seems to me, to fix 
>> this, is to "on-the-fly" change the dictionary identifiers to the PDB 
>> standard (this is what I believe Phenix does).  This update is tentatively 
>> scheduled for 0.8.  
>> 
>> For the moment though, for handling cif/dictionary/atom-naming convention 
>> problems with Coot, I recommend the remediator.
>> 
>> If Coot is really renaming the atoms (other than the coventional hydrogen 
>> name de-mangling), I'd like to know about it of course.
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Scott Classen [sclas...@lbl.gov]
>> Sent: 25 May 2010 19:16
>> To: Paul Emsley; William Scott
>> Cc: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: mon_lib_list.cif?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just updated to 0.6.2-pre-1 (build 2965) via fink
>> I am using the PDB v3 atom names for DNA so I copied over my custom cif 
>> files to replace:
>> 
>> /sw/share/coot/lib/data/monomers/list/mon_lib_list.cif
>> /sw/share/coot/lib/data/monomers/a/AD.cif
>> /sw/share/coot/lib/data/monomers/c/CD.cif
>> /sw/share/coot/lib/data/monomers/g/GD.cif
>> /sw/share/coot/lib/data/monomers/t/TD.cif
>> 
>> coot fires up OK. no complaints about the cif files, but coot is renaming my 
>> DNA atoms to version 2 atom names when it reads the PDB in.

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