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rangadi edited comment on HADOOP-1869 at 9/3/08 10:55 AM:
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> a file create (such as expansion of an archive and a distcp), [...]

During create is not enough even for these use cases. Say distcp copies 10GB 
file and sets Mod time at create time (to t - 1month), and the last block is 
written 1 min later.. then the mod time after Distcp will be (t + 1min) rather 
than (t - 1month). -1 for extra options to create, or close, etc.

Why not just provide utimes().. since we are using POSIX as a tie breaker? 

Another Konstantin's point is that FS should not allow setting future time.. 
which sounds ok.. but it is just a file attribute to help users not something 
filesystem inherently depends upon. I don't see need to police it that much .. 
and since POSIX is a tie breaker we could just stick to it functionality. Note 
that all the use cases we need to be able to set modtime too. 

      was (Author: rangadi):
    > a file create (such as expansion of an archive and a distcp), [...]

During create is not enough even for these test cases. Say distcp copies 10GB 
file and set Mod time at create time (to t - 1month), and the last block was 
written 1 min later.. then the mod time after Distcp will be (t + 1min) rather 
than (t - 1month). -1 for extra options to create, or close, etc.

Why not just provide utimes().. since we are using POSIX as a tie breaker? 

Another Konstantin's point is that FS should not allow setting future time.. 
which sounds ok.. but it is just a file attribute to help users not something 
filesystem inherently depends upon. I don't see need to police it that much .. 
and since POSIX is a tie breaker we could just stick to it. For all the use 
case we need to be able to set modtime too. 
  
> access times of HDFS files
> --------------------------
>
>                 Key: HADOOP-1869
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-1869
>             Project: Hadoop Core
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: dfs
>            Reporter: dhruba borthakur
>            Assignee: dhruba borthakur
>             Fix For: 0.19.0
>
>         Attachments: accessTime1.patch, accessTime4.patch, accessTime5.patch
>
>
> HDFS should support some type of statistics that allows an administrator to 
> determine when a file was last accessed. 
> Since HDFS does not have quotas yet, it is likely that users keep on 
> accumulating files in their home directories without much regard to the 
> amount of space they are occupying. This causes memory-related problems with 
> the namenode.
> Access times are costly to maintain. AFS does not maintain access times. I 
> thind DCE-DFS does maintain access times with a coarse granularity.
> One proposal for HDFS would be to implement something like an "access bit". 
> 1. This access-bit is set when a file is accessed. If the access bit is 
> already set, then this call does not result in a transaction.
> 2. A FileSystem.clearAccessBits() indicates that the access bits of all files 
> need to be cleared.
> An administrator can effectively use the above mechanism (maybe a daily cron 
> job) to determine files that are recently used.

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