Let me try to summarize the issue, as I see it.

Circling back to David's original quote from the Serialization spec [1]

"The class's writeObject method, if implemented, is responsible for saving the state of the class. Either ObjectOutputStream's defaultWriteObject or writeFields method must be called once (and only once) before writing any optional data that will be needed by the corresponding readObject method to restore the state of the object; even if no optional data is written, defaultWriteObject or writeFields must still be invoked once. If defaultWriteObject or writeFields is not invoked once prior to the writing of optional data (if any), then the behavior of instance deserialization i_s undefined in cases where the ObjectInputStream cannot resolve the class which defined the writeObject method in question._"

The underlying section above is most relevant. It is a qualification of the scenario where the behavior is undefined. I read it to mean; the behavior is undefined if, and only if, the OIS cannot resolve the class which defined the writeObject. And this seems in line with David's description [2] (which I agree).

"I think the specifics of the quote relate to this kind of class change;
in particular, if a class is deleted from the hierarchy on the read
side, and that class corresponds to the class that had the misbehaving
writeObject, I suspect that things will break at that point as the read
side will probably try to consume and discard the field information for
that class, which will be missing (it will start reading the next class'
fields instead I think)."

My take on this is that the above writeObject undefined qualification is referring to a compatibility issue. Since removing a class from the hierarchy is a compatible change [3], then default read/write Object/Fields must be called, otherwise, if a class is removed from the hierarchy the behavior is undefined. In my testing I get StreamCorruptException, but I can see how this could behave differently, depending on the class hierarchy and actual serialization state.

If the class defining the writeObject is resolvable, then the behavior is *not* undefined.

Do we agree on what is actually undefined, and what is not?

-Chris.

[1] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/platform/serialization/spec/output.html#861 [2] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2014-February/025069.html [3] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/platform/serialization/spec/version.html#6754


On 17/02/14 07:17, Stuart Marks wrote:
On 2/14/14 9:43 AM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
On 02/14/2014 09:56 AM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
In the JDK, java.util.Date does not read/write fields.  Perhaps others
as well. Given that the behavior is presently undefined, that means the
serialized representation of java.util.Date (and any other such
non-conforming classes) are also undefined.

An interesting detail here - since Date doesn't have any non-transient fields, this happens to work out OK for a second reason (that defaultReadFields() would read nothing anyway) - however it still would break if a non-transient field
were to be added.

Hi David,

(coming late to this party)

Thanks for pointing out these clauses in the serialization specification. I always knew that these methods "should" behave this way but I was unaware of the undefined qualification in the spec, and I was also unaware that even JDK classes like java.util.Date have readObject/writeObject methods that don't fulfil this requirement.

I also think you're right that these problems are widespread. A recent blog post on serialization [1] has some sample code whose readObject/writeObject methods don't fulfil this requirement either.

On the other hand, this requirement doesn't seem to appear in the javadoc anyplace that I can find. The class doc for java.io.Serializable is the most explicit, and it says,

    The writeObject method is responsible for writing the state of the
    object for its particular class so that the corresponding readObject
    method can restore it. The default mechanism for saving the Object's
    fields can be invoked by calling out.defaultWriteObject. The method
    does not need to concern itself with the state belonging to its
    superclasses or subclasses. State is saved by writing the individual
    fields to the ObjectOutputStream using the writeObject method or by
    using the methods for primitive data types supported by DataOutput.

    The readObject method is responsible for reading from the stream and
    restoring the classes fields. It may call in.defaultReadObject to
    invoke the default mechanism for restoring the object's non-static
    and non-transient fields. The defaultReadObject method uses
    information in the stream to assign the fields of the object saved
    in the stream with the correspondingly named fields in the current
    object. This handles the case when the class has evolved to add new
    fields. The method does not need to concern itself with the state
    belonging to its superclasses or subclasses. State is saved by
    writing the individual fields to the ObjectOutputStream using the
    writeObject method or by using the methods for primitive data types
    supported by DataOutput.

The wording here seems to imply that calling defaultWriteObject and defaultReadObject is optional.

It does look like the various bits of the specification could use some cleanup.

In your initial post, you said that problems with the serialization specification that have caused user problems. Can you be more specific about what these problems were?

In another message earlier in this thread, you had made a few suggestions:

1) do nothing :(
2) start throwing (or writing) an exception in write/readObject when stream ops are performed without reading fields (maybe can be disabled with a sys prop or something)
3) leave fields cleared and risk protocol issues
4) silently start reading/writing empty field information (risks protocol issues)

I'd have to say that #2 is pretty close to a non-starter. Since the problem does appear to be widespread, a lot of software would start suffering this exception even if it otherwise seems to be behaving correctly. This is clearly a big behavioral incompatibility, and even if it could be mitigated with a system property, I'd question whether it was worthwhile.

#4 also seems to be a fairly large incompatibility. If a class's writeObject method is missing a defaultWriteObject call, it has a fairly stable behavior, although one that's defined by the implementation as opposed to the specification. (Although the specification isn't self-consistent, per the above.) Silently changing the bytes emitted in these cases would certainly cause incompatibilities with existing readObject methods that are unprepared to deal with them.

#3 leads me to mention another area of the serialization specification that *is* well-defined, which is what occurs if fields are added or removed from one object version to the next. This is covered in sections 5.6.1 and 5.6.2 of the spec. [2] Briefly, if the current object has fields for which values are not present in the serialization stream, those fields are initialized to their default values (zero, null, false). Does this have any bearing on the issues you're concerned about? (It doesn't say so very explicitly, but field data that appears in the serialized form is ignored if there is no corresponding field in the current class.)

Finally, another suggestion that might help with these issues is not to change the JDK, but to use static analysis tools such as FindBugs to help programmers identify problem code.

s'marks


[1] http://marxsoftware.blogspot.com/2014/02/serializing-java-objects-with-non.html

[2] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/platform/serialization/spec/version.html#5172


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