Hi Dan, thanks for the feedback.

On 7/17/14 10:40 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
The motivation section ought to more directly survey what we have now:
- Collections.emptyList/emptySet/emptyMap
- Collections.singletonList/singleton/singletonMap
- Arrays.asList
- EnumSet.of (varargs, plus some overloads)
- Stream.empty and Stream.of (singleton plus varargs)
- Constructors that, by convention, always have a variant that constructs an 
empty collection and another to copy the contents of an existing collection

This helps to clarify that there are multiple goals:
- Provide some default methods in List/Set/Map for easier access to existing 
behavior (following the pattern of EnumSet)
- Add new functionality to create immutable Sets/Maps for 2 <= n <= small 
number.
- (Maybe?) varargs methods to create immutable Sets/Maps or arbitrary size.
- Provide an array-less implementation of immutable Lists for 2 <= n <= small 
number.

WAT, you mean not everybody is a collections expert? :-)

Sure, I could add some background here. The relationship with the Collections.empty* and Collections.singleton* methods is especially interesting. They're not very discoverable; they're somewhat verbose, and the naming is odd. (Where is singletonSet? oh.) The implementation returned by Arrays.asList is also incredibly useful but is something of a strange beast compared to other collections.

"If a mutable collection is desired, the contents of an immutable collection can easily be 
copied into a collection type of the caller's choice." ... "If there are sufficient use 
cases to support convenient creation of mutable collections, factory methods for particular mutable 
collection classes could be added."

Following the existing convention, it might make more sense to make these 
constructors:
ArrayList()
ArrayList(Collection<? extends E>)
ArrayList(E...) // this is new

Note there is also ArrayList(int initialCapacity).

This brings in the old constructor-vs-factory-method discussion. A constructor is reasonable since we have no intention of returning an instance of a subclass, which would be a point in favor of a static factory. But I'm concerned about adding the varargs constructor next to existing constructors. Many of the collections have additional constructors besides the ones provided by convention. There may not be any actual ambiguity, but surprising behaviors would result. For example, in

    List<Integer> list1 = new ArrayList<>(1, 2);
    List<Integer> list2 = new ArrayList<>(3);

list1 would be [1, 2] as expected but list2 would be an empty list with an initial capacity of 3.

HashSet has a similar issues with the constructor

    HashSet(int initialCapacity, float loadFactor)

"Converting a mutable collection into an immutable one is more difficult."

In principle, if you've got a varargs List creation method, there's nothing to 
stop you from overloading it with an Collection/Iterable/Stream version.  Same 
functionality, although this might encourage users to think that larger 
collections will behave properly.  (You could pass in a large array to the 
varargs method, but presumably most users will be passing in small varargs 
lists.)

What I meant by "...is more difficult" is that, prior to any of these proposals, creating an immutable collection when given a mutable one is more difficult. (Or at least, it's a pain.) You could copy the collection into a new collection, and then wrap it in an unmodifiable wrapper. Or you could import a third party library with actual immutable collections. Or you could write your own.

I guess I should clarify this too.

If we were to add a family of immutable collections to the JDK, as has popped up a couple times on this thread, its constructors or factories should clearly be able to consume other collections, streams, etc.


I was curious about other collections that might benefit.
- It turns out Queue and Deque are pretty useless as immutable data structures.
- SortedSet and SortedMap could be useful.
- Stream could probably be made consistent with the overloading scheme you 
settle on; EnumSet, too, if it's different.
- There might be some use cases for Iterator; likely doesn't carry its weight, 
though.

Yes, interesting. Most collection implementations have special features that apply to mutability. The Sorted (or maybe Navigable) variations of Set or Map could be useful though.

s'marks



—Dan

On Jul 16, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Stuart Marks <stuart.ma...@oracle.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Please review this draft JEP for Convenience Factory Methods for Collections:

    https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8048330

Brief background: several times over the years there have been proposals to add 
"collection literals" to the language. The most recent round of this was in 
regard to JEP 186, a research JEP to explore this topic. That effort was concluded by 
Brian Goetz, as summarized in this email:

    http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/lambda-dev/2014-March/011938.html

Essentially, the idea of adding collection literals to the language was set 
aside in favor of adding some library APIs, not entirely unlike collection 
literals, that make it more convenient to create collections. That's what this 
proposal is.

Share and enjoy,

s'marks


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