Hello David, > We need open dialogue with vendors more than we need obnoxious > commentary from certain individuals.
I see... I hit hard INTEL... Again! And INTEL is NOT (at all) happy about that, I can read between the lines. :-) It is NOT matter of open dialogue with vendors. It is matter of direct INTERESTS between GOOGLE and INTEL, *where The TRUTH is completely sacrificed*. Sorry to be straight honest with you. The Truth here is the biggest victim. But... It depends what your interests are, and how these interests convert, convert into what?! ;-) Anyway, all said IMHO! Zoran _______ On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, David Hendricks <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Ivan Ivanov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Regarding the FSP-S thread - sorry, but I did not see any derailment. > > The whole thread - 'Why do we have FSP-S' - is about "why we should > > have more blobs when we already have enough?" And its understandable > > that some people got upset while seeing how coreboot is slowly turning > > from being almost completely open source to the big collection of blobs > > launching each other. Hopefully this reply would not get me removed... > > The problem is the animosity some members brought to the other thread, > complete with conspiracy theories about "corporate control", insults > directed Intel, and negative comments about coreboot. > > Just because someone doesn't like a particular vendor or blobs doesn't > mean they should interject with rude comments and prevent others from > having a civil discussion. The FSP-S thread illustrates exactly why > companies don't "consult the community" before doing things. If the > mailing list can't be used to discuss things with major hardware > vendors then these discussions will simply happen elsewhere without > any community input. > > We need open dialogue with vendors more than we need obnoxious > commentary from certain individuals. > > > > > Best regards, > > Ivan Ivanov > > > > 2018-05-01 19:07 GMT+03:00 ron minnich <[email protected]>: > > > We've had to remove people from the list before, and I suppose at some > point > > > it might have to happen again. Nobody likes this option. Sometimes > there is > > > no choice. > > > > > > I agree that on a technical discussion list there's no place for > abusive > > > language. We're all trying to do the best we can in a non-ideal world. > > > > > > ron > > > > > > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 9:03 AM David Hendricks < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello all, > > >> Recently I've noticed an uptick in threads going off-topic. While some > > >> noise should be expected on an open source mailing list, I think it's > become > > >> very counterproductive in many recent cases. A good example is the > FSP-S > > >> thread going on where we see clear examples of people interjecting > with > > >> non-technical diatribes and disrespecting developers, corporate > > >> contributors, and coreboot itself in violation of the existing > community > > >> standards (https://coreboot.org/Code_of_Conduct). > > >> > > >> Most of this is perpetrated by a very small handful of individuals who > > >> have not contributed anything to the codebase, so I think the current > > >> problem could be dealt with easily. It might also be worth adding > something > > >> about keeping threads on-topic and focused on technology in the Code > of > > >> Conduct. > > >> > > >> Another option would be to have a developer-only mailing list, but I > think > > >> it's best to try and keep things open to the community at large even > if that > > >> means ejecting the most disruptive members. > > >> > > >> Thoughts? > > >> -- > > >> coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > > >> https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > > > > > > > > > -- > > > coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > > > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > > > > -- > > coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot > > -- > coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >
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