On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 4:19 AM Nico Huber <nic...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> On 21.06.23 04:58, David Hendricks wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 4:41 PM Peter Stuge <pe...@stuge.se> wrote:
> >> ron minnich wrote:
> >>> And, yes, no question, this is an activity that likely occurs less than it
> >>> should. Such is our industry.
> >>
> >> Such is project policy. Maybe because it's the lowest common
> >> denominator in industry.
> >
> > The project's policy is to remove code that becomes difficult to
> > maintain, whether due to bitrot or technical barriers to refactoring.
>
> I don't see this "becomes difficult to maintain" much. Much of what
> we removed in the last years had either an unfortunate design (cf.
> FSP 1.0) and or was already merged in a difficult to maintain state
> (cf. AGESA). IMO, this is where we should consider to learn from,
> not just make it policy and go on.

I'd also add that we shouldn't stonewall new contributors because of
problems outside of their scope, going along with what Martin wrote
earlier.

> A bit OT, and sorry, if this is an odd question: Wasn't this the point
> of OCP, that they can talk to each other? If it's possible, we could try
> to talk earlier about the code, before it's written and pushed upstream
> later.

It's more about setting some general parameters to ensure the code can
be downloaded, modified, and redistributed. That alone is a huge hill
to climb in our industry. Perfection will be the next battle once
we've removed hurdles to initial development.

That said, there are some collaborative efforts with silicon vendors
using their reference platforms, for example Intel's Archer City and
AMD's Onyx, however OEM products are not usually developed this way.
To be clear, participation in open source projects does *NOT* require
companies to share upcoming product details with potential
competitors. I've heard FUD from certain parties claiming otherwise.
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