On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 06:16:37PM -0500, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> And as a further followup, I-D.ietf-cose-countersign is already mentioned
> several times in rfc8152bis-struct, and is an informative reference.
> 
> As an informative reference, it won't prevent rfc8152bis-struct from
> waiting on countersign, but actually I rather think we should reference the
> new RFC#.  But, it shouldn't be a normative reference.

If I'm reading correctly, https://www.rfc-editor.org/current_queue.php
shows that -algs and -hash-algs have had their copyediting pass and are
waiting to enter the RFC-EDITOR state along with -struct, while -struct is
in the EDIT state (and has been for 5 weeks).  With the average time in
EDIT being about 6 weeks, the cluster C416 should be able to progress
fairly quickly.

It's a supported operation to ask the RFC Editor to add a new document
(-countersign) to the existing cluster if we want to do that, but I do not
think we could use the Updates: mechanism to do that and would instead want
to make -countersign a normative reference from -struct.  That, in turn, is
dicey from the downref perspective and might require another IETF LC.

To me, that suggests not adding -countersign to the cluster and sticking
with Updates, but I'd like to hear from others before taking any action
here.

-Ben

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