Marion, Fair enough re the 2 Knoxes. But if Mr Knox was collecting tithes he was presumably the incumbent's agent in some capacity.
Elwyn On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Marion <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Elwyn > > Thanks for your reply. > > It was not Rev Knox, collecting tithes in 1814, it was a Mr Knox, which is > why I wondered why he was collecting tithes, rather than the local priest. > > The Rev William Knox was alive at a later date and I was wondering if he > belonged to the same family as the earlier Mr Knox. He was the rector of > Clonleigh, but obviously had connections with Urney being the immediate > lessor to a large number of tenant farmers there and it was also the place > where he died in 1860. > > Thanks again > > Marion > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > *Sent: *03 September 2017 08:33 > *To: *Marion <[email protected]> > *Cc: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Rev William Knox and Urney > > > > Marion, > > > > You ask why the Rev Knox was trying to collect the tithes. The answer is > probably that he was the local Church of Ireland Minister and so legally > entitled to collect the tithes for his parish. > > > > Tithes were a system used commonly across Europe, not just in Ireland, for > paying for the upkeep of the local church and the Minister’s salary etc. > Originally paid in kind, but later in cash, and supposedly 10% of your > income. It was compulsory. In countries where nearly everyone was a member > of the same church it wasn’t too controversial, though no-one likes paying > taxes, but in Ireland where the majority of the population weren’t members > of the Church of Ireland, it was resented very much. Who wants to pay for > somebody else’s church? Not surprisingly, there was widespread opposition > to the tithe system across Ireland. Many people who were not a member of > the Church of Ireland refused to pay. Periodically there was civil unrest. > This in Urney looks to be an example. > > > > Tithes eventually disappeared around the 1860s when the Church of Ireland > was disestablished. That is, it was no longer the state church. > > > > > > Elwyn > > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Marion <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hello All > > I have been looking again at the farms worked by my ancestors in Rabstown, > Urney and the historical background. I noticed in the Griffiths Valuation > that their immediate lessor was a Rev William Knox and that he was also the > lessor in quite a large area of Urney (about 14 townlands of various > sizes). I assume he was the same person who was the rector of Clonleigh > parish in Donegal. > > > > I am interested to know if he was the owner of the land, rented it from > someone or was acting as an agent for the owners . If anyone knows anything > about him or his family I would be very interested. I have looked at the > notes on the website and seen that he died in 1860 at Urney Park , which > was also the home of Andrew Ferguson Knox. Andrew and a Thomas F Knox seem > to have taken over as immediate lessor in Rabstown (Val Revision Books) > > > > My family were also farming in Rabstown at the time of the Tithe > Applotment Books (about 1825) and I wondered who their lessor would have > been at that time. I did come across a letter to the Duke of Abercorn in > 1814 with a comment about violent mobs in Urney because Mr Knox was > demanding tithe on potatoes. Apparently they broke the windows and doors of > his house and also those of his agent. Who was this Mr Knox and on what > basis was he demanding tithes?? > > > > Does anyone know anything about the Knox family and their position in > Urney during the 19th century??? Any comments gratefully received. > > > > Regards Marion Shephard > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ > cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > > > > >
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