Ken Carnahan wrote: Vern, you are so rite about univar showing there color .Money is all thay care about .I think thay would never sell ritsfor any amount . Thay know thatthay got us ,And we will pay . Ken In Mo.
Ken, I agree that they want to make money and if they do not the go out of business and we have no support at all. They are in the business of building some parts and selling many other parts. They will want to stay in that business and they can. They are good at what they do and if we have the Type Certificate they can both continue to do what they do now but they can also sell parts that we would produce. They free up some capital and get free of some liability and have more parts to sell. They win all the way around, the only reason they would not sell would be a nonbusiness reason and I do not see that in their actions. Lynn Nelsen Vern; I agree, after about 20 months of owning/rebuilding a Coupe, I have seen too many pieces that we do not have available. I am fortunate to have an understanding FSDO, so I can get most major modifications approved. However, I do not believe that is the norm. The EOC does need to gain control of the Coupes destiny. I will do what I can to help. I think the next step is to show our full support for EOC and work through our local state and regional representatives to let them know that many of us feel the need to get control of the Type Certificate and to deal effectively with the pressing issues of parts that are not available and the dealing with the FAA on issues that can ground our aircraft. I can assure you that the FAA is watching all of the wings that are coming up with spar cap corrosion and we have not heard the last of this issue. It is real and the Swiss cheese AD is simple compared to what may come next if we do not have our representation face to face with the FAA to resolve the problem. As it goes today the FAA will take the problem to the manufacture (Univar) and they will decide what we have to do. It makes work for Univar and the FAA does not care if it cost us the price of the plane. Lets help our friends at EOC do what is right. They will meet shortly at the national lets all let the Board know how we feel and what we would like to see happen. Glen Ward You guys who keep talking about the Luscombe folks ought to look at their page and how much those parts list for. Personally, I doubt their ability to actually deliver some of those parts in a timely manner. Their prices are right up there with Univair anyway. Airplanes which require certified parts are always going to cost big bucks. The Ercoupe will die out slowly, replaced by kit type homebuilts which people can afford. Only the few folks with money or skills (preferably both) will keep theirs going. It is a fine deal if you ask me. 60 years old is plenty for an airplane. Besides, I suspect that it would take $500-1000 from each EOC member to be able to set up to make this stuff as well as buying the certificates. The Ercoupe unfortunately is not made so much of stock parts and materials as are some wood/tube planes. Univair does as well as any amateur user group organization would - probably better. How may of those parts do you think they sell in a year, anyway? Glen is correct no one has repealed the laws of economics and aircraft parts are expensive to make and that causes them to sell for what we think of as high prices. I have seen the Luscombe operation in PHX and they do a good job for their aircraft owners. Yes they may not have every part and the price is not cheap, quality never is, but they will do work that you can not get done most anywhere else if you own a Luscombe. They are not perfect but they can see perfection from where they are. I am restoring a 415-G and will rely on their "Parts Angle" to get me some of the hard to find small parts that are common to both aircraft. I DO NOT want to see an amateur operation if that is what we end up with it will not be with me. There is only one way to do aviation safely and that is with quality and professionalism. I think there are many people in the EOC who have great skills if they will use them for the group good. I note that we do not have a center that can repair our major parts for us. We do not have anyone developing STC's for the full line because it is a safety issue that needs to be done. The recent shoulder harness project where one of the group had to go out and hire a DER to just get his Alon done. For about twice the money we could have had a package of engineering data that would have supported a STC for all Coupes. Now we buy the package for the one time Alon and hope we can get our FSDO to agree. Look at the fuel strainer which is poorly attached to the carburetor on most Coupes. From the F-1A on they moved it to the firewall and a solid mount just like it should be. Where is the Univar STC and kit of parts to do this to all Coupes? I am buying the remains of a Coupe that will probably not fly again because of this and it should never have happened. We need manufactures support because that is how the FAA is geared to work. You still have to do it right and they are still a pain, but it does work and we can get real safety issues dealt with by people who can see the problem, the solution and the cost impact. I know that there good Coupe owners out there who just get by with owning an aircraft and are very concerned about the cost of parts and the good quality work to put them in their aircraft. I share your concern but I do not want to see people killed because they can not afford to do things the right way or will not pay for the qualified help they need to have their aircraft maintained correctly. I have seen pristine aircraft with "ACE Hardware" parts that were unsafe. I have also seen aircraft that look bad, poor paint, thin tires, patched windshield, well you know the type and many are bad news, but many are properly maintained with proper parts and are much safer than the pretty one. We hear of poor practice on this list from time to time and we hear good advice from the list to these people most of the time. In short if you have not been taught the correct procedure to do a maintenance task get some help from someone who is qualified, most are A/P's and if you show a desire to learn most will teach you the what and why of how to do the items that you as owners are permitted to do. Have a good day one and all. Best regards, Vern 1949 415-G N94892 __________________________________________________________________________ ______ To unsubscribe from this list please send mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________ Enlighten your in-box. http://www.topica.com/t/15
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