On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Eduardo Roldan writes:
> 
> > What thinks Sam Varshavchik about AMTP?
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-weinman-amtp-00.txt
> > 
> > I need the opinion of a The Courier Guru when the next geek lunch comes
> > in :-)
> > 
> > That was a joke. This is open to others too.
> 
> 1) AMTP uses X.509 certificates signed by trusted certificate authorities. 
> Hope you're looking forward to paying another several hundred bucks a year 
> to Verisign for the privilege of having a "trusted" certificate for sending 
> mail.

That is another problem. All the scheme of the certs is flawed now.
Verisign are thiefs. Certificates must be free or low cost. I think that
certificates must be issued by nations, as my country issued my ID card
to me. But ok, I acknowledge that in the present internet having another
certificate for e-mail is a PITA.

> 
> 2) spam-till-you-drop.com pays the several hundred bucks a year, and 
> receives a valid X.509 spam-till-you-drop.com certificate, enabling them to 
> send "authenticated" mail.

My ISP can block spam-till-you-drop.com cert until they apply a good
policy of use to their customers. We could have real black lists, not
the IP number crap.

> 
> 3) The classification of each "authenticated" message is entirely up to the 
> sender's discretion.  If the sender believes that the message is a personal 
> one-on-one communication, then that's what it is.
> 

If X person sends bulk e-mail as personal he is lying, no matter what he
believes the ISP have the final word. If the ISP is permissive block
them! Imagine a law that punish the e-mail lie. AMTP permits law
enforcement in a easily way. Remember that with AMTP the sender's ISP
must enforce that bulk e-mail be taged as bulk, if the end-user opt to
not receive bulk and it receives (maybe tagged as personal) there is a
explicit break of the end-user right of choice. With plain SMTP I can't
say 'Don't send me bulk please or I will hate you'.


> Dead on arrival.

Maybe.



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