But Roger - that's exactly what a sniffer is for!

Many useful tools exist and are fully developed to provide comprehensive
details to aid in debugging of TCP socket connections. There are tools for
windows as well as *nix os's, and all of them have more function than one
could ever hope to shoe-horn into an application.

They don't require access to the networks you are connecting to, and can
even be inserted (without program modifications) through use of firewall
redirection rules... All without bulking up the application for normal use.

Not a list topic though - you'd probably want to read up on your os's
firewall redirection and transparent proxy capabilities and a few other
things like tcpdump, sniffit, etc.

Not intended to be a slam in any way, but I find that people who don't know
about existing tools are often looking for those features in every app they
run until they find the right tool for the job. Building utility functions
and libraries are one of the great things about open source tools... problem
is there is just so much it's often hard to find what you need when you
don't know the right keyword.

cheers.

m/

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:21 PM
To: 'Mitch (WebCob)'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: RE: [courier-users] Re: Logging exact SMTP dialog?


> Just my 2 pennies, but one good sniffer vs. 1000's of changes
> to 100's of
> programs to optionally enable something that will only ever
> be usefull to a
> few for debugging purposes sounds like bloatware to me.

Many of us have no control, or even physical access, to the networks on
which our services are running.

A protocol log seems like an obvious requirement for anything that speaks a
standard protocol.




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