> -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Mehnle > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:53 PM
> Malcolm Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Julian Mehnle wrote: > > > while some people think it > > > should be generally adopted *instead* of rivaling schemes > like SPF > > > due to Yahoo's 800lb Gorilla factor. > > > > And you know that... How? > > > > Fact is that 'YASAF' does more. So how do you know that > > people aren't > > thinking it should be generally adopted due to the fact > > that it does more? > > I didn't say that there are no other reasons for people. But > as became evident in this thread, some people *do* think that > YASAF should be generally adopted over SPF because of Yahoo's > 800lb Gorilla factor -- of course among other reasons. I think, if you're honest, you'll find that some people have stated that they think Domain Keys *will* be adopted, and I'll leave it to you to try to extrapolate from "will be" to "should be". > And > this bothers me, because most detais of YASAF aren't even > available yet. Unfortunately, market force seems to be more > important than technical soundness or fitness for the purpose > (yeah, alright, we don't exactly agree on the purpose). You are totally ignoring the fact that "market force" doesn't enter into the fact that Yahoo implementing a solution *on their own* servers will provide vast benefit to many people if those people choose to use it. You seem to be intermixing "market force" in the Microsoft Outlook sense with "market presence" in the sense that forgeries are vastly more problematic for Yahoo than they are for you... > > That's my point. You're simply pissed at Yahoo's scheme because, > > apparently, it isn't SPF. Not because of what it is. > > This is not true. I have no financial or emotional > affiliation with SPF or its author whatsoever. OK, so you're pissed at Yahoo's scheme because it's Yahoo's. But again, not because of what it is. > > > > [...] Garlinghouse said Yahoo is seeking a patent on the > > > > DomainKeys technology, but will license it at no charge > to anyone who wants it. > > > > Yahoo is also creating software that will add the capability to > > > > Qmail and Sendmail, two of the most common e-mail > server programs. > > > > This software will be distributed free. [...] > > > > > > "free"? That sure *sounds* like "free bear", not "free speech". > > > But we won't know for sure until we hear more from Yahoo. Let's > > > wait and see... > > > > Get over yourself, Julian! Since Yahoo isn't *preventing* you from > > implementing whatever the heck you want, it *is* 'free speech': you > > can implement SPF, ignore Yahoo, do whatever the blue > blazes you want. > > Sure they aren't preventing anybody from anything, I never > said that. Really? So what *did* you mean when you wrote that Yahoo was imposing their solution? > What I meant to say is that it appears they won't > release their software as free software, free as in "free speech". That would be "free speech" in the "fire in a crowded theatre" sense, right? > To set things clear, if it wasn't for the overkill and the > danger of commercialization by Yahoo, I'd very well start > thinking of implementing YASAF (as soon as the specs are available). I'd note that the "overkill" issue is only "overkill" if you don't need to prove the origination of the message... (And I'd note that Yahoo does sue spammers on the grounds that the spammer has consumed Yahoo's resources... And thus this necessity is quite real...) > > Also, there are sound reasons to patent this sort of thing, > not least > > of which is the protection of the technology against claims of > > infringement [...] > > The finding of "prior art" would protect them anyway. Not entirely. Since the lead time on patent submission can be signfiicant, there exists the possibility that a conflicting patent application has already been filed. This issue doesn't go away following a patent application, but it does allow some protection. The point is that applying for a patent is not an indication of anything sinister, or that licensing will demand royalties, etc. Malc. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html _______________________________________________ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
