Hi,

First of all, please don't reply to messages, replace the entire content and 
dont change the subject at least... It's still not the best way to reply to 
something while replacing the subject, because many mail clients thread 
messages by their message id, but that's another part of the netiquette...

> I have an installation of Courier that is a "bit" old, and while talking to
> serveral different mail servers, I'm getting messages like:
>
> 454 TLS not available
>
> and then the message is deferred, forever.
>
> I have looked at the settings in esmtp-ssl and checked to make sure the

I'm venturing a guess here: It has nothing to do with your own mail server. It 
is the other mailserver advertising STARTTLS capabilities, but not really 
supporting it. So your mailserver gets an error when trying the STARTTLS 
command. In other words: the other mailservers are broken and you should get 
the admin of those servers to fix theirs... 

-- 
Regards,

Arno.

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