I apologize, I was in a hurry and I miss this sometimes with Gmail - their system doesn't display the subject by default.  I didn't think about the message ID, that's interesting...  I've not seen messages thread based on message ID before.

Anyway, I appreciate the reponse.  This is what I thought and I've been telling the customer that the other mail servers are busted, however, they're getting e-mail from other servers - just not this particular Courier system.

I'm wondering if there's a way to tell Courier to NEVER use STARTTLS, even when its advertised?

Thanks,

D

On 6/28/06, Arno < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,

First of all, please don't reply to messages, replace the entire content and
dont change the subject at least... It's still not the best way to reply to
something while replacing the subject, because many mail clients thread
messages by their message id, but that's another part of the netiquette...

> I have an installation of Courier that is a "bit" old, and while talking to
> serveral different mail servers, I'm getting messages like:
>
> 454 TLS not available
>
> and then the message is deferred, forever.
>
> I have looked at the settings in esmtp-ssl and checked to make sure the

I'm venturing a guess here: It has nothing to do with your own mail server. It
is the other mailserver advertising STARTTLS capabilities, but not really
supporting it. So your mailserver gets an error when trying the STARTTLS
command. In other words: the other mailservers are broken and you should get
the admin of those servers to fix theirs...

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