The old language in the SRFI process seemed to imply that, for quality
reasons, the 90-day deadline is needed. I'm not at all convinced about
this, so I like your new language better. I see that some kind of limit is
useful because the more SRFIs in draft status, the bigger will the
administrative overhead be.

In any case, I do not see time constraints as a major issue with the
current SRFI process.  The problem I see is that many SRFIs are discussed
by far too few people. Moreover, the people that have been involved in
discussing SRFIs only reflect a small part of the Scheme community. The
R6RS process was blamed for this, but the same can probably be said about
the current SRFI process. I haven't made any statistics but I have the
strong feeling that the community was *much* more diverse during the first
50 or 100 SRFIs.

In a discussion about the inclusion of SRFI 88/89 to Chez, Kent Dybvig once
wrote: "[...] SRFIs are not standards and are vetted, for the most part,
only by people who are interested in the mechanism." I think this hits a
nail on its head. Our reviewers are all biased. Who does review and examine
thoroughly a SRFI they are not really interested in?

Marc

Am So., 31. Jan. 2021 um 02:05 Uhr schrieb Arthur A. Gleckler <
[email protected]>:

> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 4:31 PM John Cowan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> In my case, at least, it's not so much that the SRFIs are unpolished, as
>> that they only handle part of the problem, the part I myself can see
>> clearly.  The SRFI discussion provides for the transition from mere
>> opinions to actual positions that can then be debated and hopefully
>> resolved.
>>
>
> Yes, I agree, and I apologize for the unpolished language of my message.
> I suppose what I wanted to say was that I hope authors will wait until
> they've addressed all the known unknowns before submitting the first
> draft.  Discovering the unknown unknowns is one of the great benefits of
> the discussion.  And I'm not sure how earlier SRFIs were done in sixty to
> ninety days.
>
>
>> (Of course there is also the problem that people don't notice there is a
>> SRFI they want to comment on until they hear that it is about to finalize.
>> I don't know what to do about that.  Likewise there is the problem of
>> insufficient resources.)
>>
>
> Yes and yes.
>
> I keep thinking that there must be a way to help solve some of our
> problems with bribery.  More stickers, anyone?
>

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