Hi Brent,

I had the same concerns, so we asked people to sign contracts and pay  
for as many months as they could afford.

The community responded.

I think it was a good way to go... to make people know up-front that  
we need support to make this thing happen.

Good luck,
Geoff

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Geoff DiMasi
Indy Hall, Philly

On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:53 PM, GroovyBrent wrote:

>
> Alex Hillman <dangerouslyawesome <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Brent,
>> While I think you're asking the right questions, it's in the wrong  
>> order.
>>
>> Before you are concerned with the financial viability, you should  
>> be looking
> to see if there is any existing community with a need for shared  
> office space,
> or if there is a need for the community to be built around a shared  
> office.
>
> Hey Alex -
>
> I have gotten quite a bit of feedback that there is a need, and I've  
> met plenty
> of people who said they like the atmosphere and the community that  
> we already
> have in the building.  As a production company, we have about 20  
> fun, creative
> individuals as built-in "anchors," about half of which are in the  
> building
> 40-hours per week.  I've read through quite a bit of the archives,  
> and have seen
> this "community first" discussion several times.
>
> I'm not looking to make a ton of money.  Never was my point; my core  
> business is
> supposed to take care of that for me.  I'm just looking to keep my  
> spare square
> footage occupied and generating revenue, and I'm looking to do it in  
> a manner
> that is compatible with the community I already have in place.
>
> Let me provide an analogy from personal experience that makes me  
> nervous about
> ignoring the financials, and going balls-out 'community first.'
>
> My father is a tremendous soccer fan.  He plays soccer 3 nights a  
> week, all his
> friends play soccer, they go to a local pub at 3 in the morning to  
> watch
> European soccer matches live, they go to local high schools to watch  
> soccer
> (even when they don't know any of the kids playing), and he is part  
> of a huge
> soccer community in San Diego.  As a matter of fact, if you like  
> soccer, and you
> live in San Diego, you would almost certainly recognize my father's  
> name.
> However, when my he took over ownership of a professional soccer  
> franchise, he
> nearly lost his shirt (or nearly lost his cleats if you prefer to  
> extend the
> analogy).  Why?  Because this tremendous, vibrant, close-knit,  
> soccer-loving
> community didn't want to pay to see the games.  They SAID they  
> wanted to pay to
> see the games, but when it came time to pull the wallet out, their  
> response was
> often "But we're soccer fans!  We're a community!  Can't you get us  
> in for free
> or AT LEAST a discount?"
>
> It is all well and good to have a vibrant community, but if you  
> can't pay the
> rent, that community will have no place to go (or more precisely  
> will go
> someplace else).  It is my experience that in this web 2.0 world,  
> people often
> don't feel they have to pay for community (I can't think of a single  
> successful
> online community that currently survives as a pay-for-subscription  
> model).
> People *SAY* they understand that a business needs to pay the bills,  
> but when it
> comes down to it, the free option wins out almost every time.
>
> So to rephrase my questions:
>
> 1) IN GENERAL, are owners of current co-working spaces finding that  
> people are
> ACTUALLY pulling out their wallets to be a part of co-working  
> communities?  From
> what you're saying, it sounds like they are...
>
> 2) I have feedback that there is interest in a co-working space in  
> San Diego
> (and one of my good friends and business associates at Digital  
> Telepathy have
> just begun offering space).  Is it OK if that space is a part of  
> town that is
> generally office-park-ish, or do successful co-working spaces find  
> that they
> need to be in a "COOL" part of town?
>
> 3) I have some ideas of the amenities that I want to provide, but  
> I'm looking
> for feedback from current successful co-working operators as to what  
> their
> communities find appealing; what makes your community members say  
> "oh wow...
> this is really nice to have!" and keeps them coming back?
>
> 4) Other than not planning for "community first," are there some not- 
> obvious
> mistakes that successful (or better yet, UNsuccessful!) co-working  
> spaces have
> made?  And can you offer tips for avoiding those mistakes?
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Brent Altomare
> Executive Producer
> Groovy Like a Movie
>
>
> >


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