Yes, and to just provide a little counter: some of us have ground floor retail locations, so some security that isn't vulnerable to "human error" would be required. Think SandBox Suites, BLANKSPACES, CoLoft...among others.
Jerome ______________ BLANKSPACES "work FOR yourself, not BY yourself" www.blankspaces.com 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) Los Angeles, CA 90036 1450 2nd Street (@ Broadway), Santa Monica, CA 90401 323.330.9505 (office) On May 9, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Alex Hillman wrote: > We never totally took security as serious as how our members might feel > within the space. > > This is so important. Everybody, read it 5 times. Please! > > Camera's > We have avoided the use of Camera's. We actually rely on our coworker and > members to be our eyes and ears. One way of doing this is the type of members > we have accepted in our managed spaces. Members are friends, these are > trusted professionals within a circle of association who can work together, > build together and save together. When there is an issue, it effects > everybody. This system creates an internal law, safeguarding a community. > When there is an issue, everybody takes the blame. It only takes one warning > to tame everybody down and be able to respect the space they are in. > > Love the way you said this, Tm. Thanks for sharing. > > -Alex > > /ah > indyhall.org > coworking in philadelphia > > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Tm Mahdi <tm.ma...@cg6.com> wrote: > We never totally took security as serious as how our members might feel > within the space. To make the environment safe, we took several different > precautions at spaces we managed. > > Access > Thumb Access works very well. And a good money maker if coworker adds a new > employee to the space. > > Alarm > DIY Alarm Systems work a lot better and more cost efficient than joining ADT > or alarm services. DIY Alarm Systems connect to your cell phone directly if > there is an issue in the space; from there you can make an instant decision > if you want to call 911 or visit the space directly. DIY Alarm System are one > time buys and has no on-going fees. Great way to keep costs down. We used > them specifically to maintain access to a datacentre within a coworking > space. Do note, DIY Alarm are hard to find on the market. Must constantly > keep your eyes open for one and when you do see it - buy it. They are > guaranteed to get sold out fast. > > Camera's > We have avoided the use of Camera's. We actually rely on our coworker and > members to be our eyes and ears. One way of doing this is the type of members > we have accepted in our managed spaces. Members are friends, these are > trusted professionals within a circle of association who can work together, > build together and save together. When there is an issue, it effects > everybody. This system creates an internal law, safeguarding a community. > When there is an issue, everybody takes the blame. It only takes one warning > to tame everybody down and be able to respect the space they are in. > > > -- > Tm Mahdi > Director & Founder, Cg6 Inc. > > unlocking the creative markets. > toronto: studio 207 - 201 weston road, ontario m6n 3p1 canada | > http://twitter.com/Cg6Inc > co | 1416.238.6881 w | www.cg6.com my | cvfolio.cg6.com/tm.mahdi/ | > about.me/tm.mahdi e | tm.ma...@cg6.com > > > get your own Movable Ink > > > > > > > On 9-May-11, at 1:22 PM, Alex Hillman wrote: > >> We've avoided incurring these costs by placing social systems in place of >> technical systems. The fact is, things like cameras are only any good if >> something bad has happened. We wanted to work on trying to avoid that bad >> things from happening in the first place. >> >> Making sure that members know each other is more valuable than just >> "networking". People's shady-detectors are remarkably good if they're given >> a chance to trust themselves, and more than once we've had someone step up >> and suggest we keep a closer eye on somebody. >> >> We're open for certain hours of the day to non-fulltime members, and the >> only people with keys are full time members. >> >> All that said, we've had two thefts take place inside of 4 years, with over >> 100 members and thousands of people through our doors. Both were "inside >> jobs", and we responded by improving our social awareness instead of locking >> things down. In the most recent case, we instituted a "three signature rule" >> for new full time members. After 1 month of "waiting period", a new member >> needs to get 3 signatures from existing full time members that they trust >> them with a key. This creates a simple structure for getting to know each >> other a bit better over lunch, drinks, coffee, etc. >> >> Does this prevent EVERYTHING bad from happening? Of course not. But neither >> do cameras and other technical systems that are much easier to game. >> >> We firmly believe that having a community of trust is a 100% thing, and we >> should lead by example. You'll never stop every bad thing from happening, >> but there is a good chance you'll stop something good from happening if you >> lock things down too much. >> >> There's a finite number of bad things that can happen, but an infinite >> number of good things. Be aware of the finite bad, and mitigate in however >> you and your members feel comfortable. >> >> -Alex >> >> p.s. we're in Philadelphia, a city that's not particularly known for a "low >> crime rate" and we still have a remarkably good track record. >> >> /ah >> indyhall.org >> coworking in philadelphia >> >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Joshua Marpet <jmar...@datadevastation.com> >> wrote: >> Cameras - Use unobtrusive domes and most people simply ignore them. >> Supercircuits has some nice ones for 60 bucks, including night vision. Get >> smoke colored domes, so people don't see the actual camera lenses. dual >> nicety - 1. They ignore them 2. They don't know where the lense is pointed, >> and so can't avoid them. >> >> Door locks - swipe cards or RFID locks are easily copied, so long as you >> have the technological know-how. However, key locks are even worse. Any >> locksmith can copy them. Locks good enough and new enough to still be >> patented are very very very expensive. Assa Abloy locks are the only ones, >> actually. Anyways, for the right balance of cost, security, and >> convenience, go with iClass HID RFID locks. Not cheap, but not expensive, >> and most good locksmiths can install. If you must do a key pad, then get a >> Hirsch Scramblepad. The numbers change every time its used. >> >> Alarm - check out frontpoint. You can issue temp codes, permanent codes, >> key fobs, and arm/check the alarm status via iphone/android apps. >> >> Joshua >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Jenifer Ross >> <westchesterwatercoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hey There Everyone- >> >> I am about three weeks away from opening W@tercooler in Tarrytown, NY, and >> have a few questions about security. >> Does anyone use cameras? And if so, how does this work for you? Does it help >> with making people feel "safer" about their stuff, or does it instead feel >> more like Big Brother is watching? >> Front Door Swipe Key Card vs Key Pad? Can anyone recommend a system they >> have found to be best for full-time members accessing the space after >> general hours? I'd prefer not to keep the current lock and key as I'm >> nervous about folks making copies or past members still having access to the >> space. >> Alarm: I am planning to install an alarm system. For those who have one, do >> you have full time members set it when they are the last to leave? or does >> it automatically set itself at a particular time and the last person leaving >> can simply lock up? >> Thanks in advance for any input ;-) >> >> Jen >> >> -- >> Jenifer Ross >> >> w@tercooler >> >> 21 North Broadway, Tarrytown, NY 10591 >> >> 914-261-1470 c >> >> 914-332-4200 o >> >> i...@watercoolerhub.com >> >> www.watercoolerhub.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Coworking" group. > To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Coworking" group. > To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. 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