g'day all,

as starting space catalyst I'm also wondering about this stuff, and some 
comments make me think of two things :


- access


- accounting


obviously the first one can be handled in different ways : keys, rfid, swipe 
cards etc ... at the moment, without any "field experience" I wonder what's the 
cheapest and most effective way in the medium to long run (keys can be lost, 
and then changing all bolts cost an arm, while changing swipe or rfid keys is 
not expensive). there is tons of ways to do that, hacker spaces have 
implemented several clever and secure ways (ex: certificates you put on usb 
sticks to open doors fitted with a usb reader, and some others listed before in 
the thread).


for the accounting part I think that Alex Hillman's thought is the most needed 
and logical if you try to stimulate respect, trust and community spirit in the 
space. I would probably go for it once the space is running but I wonder what 
cultural differences (comparing United States to UK, Australia, Scandinavian 
countries, or France for example) would imply in practice.


-- 
Thom


On Thursday, June 16, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ann Kingman wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> With almost 150 members, I would guess that there may almost always be 
> someone on site. Is that the case? 
> 
> Though our space is not open yet, we are going back and forth on this idea. 
> The real value in an automated system for us is that as a startup, we won't 
> have many members for awhile. So the choice would be to have the space open 
> only business hours when my husband or I can be on site, or offer an 
> automated solution so that members can access the space when they need it. 
> I'm not so concerned about keeping track of member usage as I am allowing 
> them access and keeping some semblance of control over who is going in and 
> out of the building.
> 
> We're looking at all options, without any kind of technical/programming 
> knowledge whatsoever. Maybe the human option would be best, I'm not sure.
> 
> Ann
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> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Alex Hillman <[email protected] 
> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > >  First time coworkers just register their fingerprints and every week we 
> > > take a report for billing. Simple and effective.
> > 
> > If we've learned anything from history, people just loved punching their 
> > timecards in factories. ;)
> > 
> > Even as we approach 150 active members, Indy Hall can't be the only place 
> > that values a human interaction as the foundation of a transaction. Who 
> > else is actively avoiding swipe card systems and looking to introduce 
> > efficiency in other ways? 
> > 
> > -Alex
> > 
> > 
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org (http://indyhall.org)
> > coworking in philadelphia
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Samir Madi <[email protected] 
> > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > >  We're using Biometrics "Clock In" machine here.
> > > 
> > >  First time coworkers just register their fingerprints and every week
> > >  we take a report for billing. Simple and effective.
> > > 
> > >  On Jun 9, 11:09 am, Bianca Rico <[email protected] 
> > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > > > I'm pretty sure weve discussed this topic a couple of times, but in
> > > > case, I was wondering if any larger coworking spaces use swipe card
> > > > systems like you would use in a gym, in order to track members usage. 
> > > > We are looking into this as we have 80 shared members and growing and we
> > > > think this will help us keep track. Asking members to track themselves
> > > > just wont work for us in this case.
> > > >
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