Drop me an email. I can probably write you one up easier than translating it. I think mine will not help you as 1) it's in Dutch and 2) it specifically says it is not a JV.
Jeannine dot vdlinden at gmail dot com. :-) On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 2:14:32 PM UTC+2, Tim Gummer wrote: > > I'm picking up on this very late jeannine - but if you still have any 'JV' > CW type contracts handy I'd be really interested. Am potentially > developing a space for an organisation with will want to limit it's > exposure, anyone knows of any working links to the old webinar that would > be great. > > Thanks - tim > > On Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:53:13 UTC+13, Jeannine van der Linden > wrote: >> >> Brace yourself for radicality. :-) >> >> I have one space which is a sharing arrangement with a landlord (sorry, >> the words joint venture and partnership make me twitch, as I am a lawyer >> and those words have specific meanings to us, and this is not that) and one >> which is a shop-in-shop arrangement with an executive office/flexoffice. I >> hope to be launching two more in the first quarter 2015. One is with one >> of my coworkers who graduated to a larger space, the other is with another >> flexoffice. >> >> The arrangement in both is that I handle the coworking, they make the >> space available and open the door, I pay the costs from the income and >> then we split what is left. The splitting varies, in one location it is >> half, in the other it is 80/20 (their favor). Certain charges they get >> 100% of, they are the ones for which I don't do anything. For the >> Executive office, if a coworker steps over to a permanent rental or virtual >> office, I get the first month's rent. >> >> This requires a landlord who is already on site, not a landlord who is >> getting paid for an empty building. An existing business with extra space >> is perfect. It als requires a landlord with a gambling turn of mind (less >> money in the beginning, more at the backend). >> >> Getting the model right and the sharing right has been....an adventure. >> :-) But at this moment I am feeling very good about its sustainabliity. >> >> I have a contract lying here, it is in Dutch. i think i may have one >> lying around which I made up for a space in Italy that didn't go anywhere, >> if you want me to dig it up let me know. (Shameless plug: I am actively >> looking for partners in Europe and the UK. The Dutch love to do business >> overseas). It is a long term contract but has a 30 day termination clause >> for any reason, because everybody is afraid of a new model and wants an out >> if it goes south. And it's a principle thing with me, I am for no-fault >> divorce and no fault termination of contracts usually. :-) >> >> Fire away. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jeannine >> >> On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 9:04:57 AM UTC+1, Loren Tripp wrote: >>> >>> Thank you to everyone who participated in this webinar- it was a great >>> introduction to the idea of joint-venturing with a landlord. It also shed >>> some light on how the large spaces in NYC and Santa Monica may afford to >>> run out of those gorgeous buildings. >>> >>> I've been building my community for CoStudio Pasadena for a few years >>> and for this cooperative art studio concept to work I'll need a lot of >>> space. I have a historic building in mind with 15,000 sq ft of glorious >>> warehouse space- the landlord is on board with my idea, the rent is good >>> for this expensive city ($2sf/month), and he will even let me runway the >>> build-out; but no matter how I finesse my P&L estimates, it's just too dang >>> much rent. (By my cautious P&L estimate, rent would be 2/3rds of my >>> revenue! One bad month and I'd be in big trouble.) It didn't occur to me to >>> actually partner with him. >>> >>> So here are my questions: >>> >>> How does the 50/50 partnership actually work- would I really propose he >>> give me the space rent-free in exchange for half my revenues? How could I >>> pitch this to him knowing it will take a year+ to get to capacity and for >>> him to actually* get* any revenue? Are there any examples of contracts >>> with landlords that someone could share? Problems to look out for? (ie: My >>> potential landlord prefers month-to-month- is that a big risk or a good >>> escape route?) Finally, I keep reading in this group about nice big spaces >>> in suburbs and smaller cities with rents that run $2,000 to $5,000, which >>> would cover a small office here; are there any coworking places that pay >>> more like $20,000 and up per month and how does that formula work? >>> >>> Many thanks for the webinar and the ideas! >>> >>> ~Loren >>> >>> On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:13:30 AM UTC-8, Jerome wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> The webinar is available on the event listing. >>>> >>>> http://lexc.org/event/lexc-webinar-joint-ventures-wlandlords/?instance_id=91 >>>> >>>> (link is at the bottom of the page) >>>> >>>> >>>> *JEROME CHANG* >>>> >>>> *WEST: Santa Monica* >>>> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >>>> ph: (310) 526-2255 >>>> >>>> *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire* >>>> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >>>> ph: (323) 330-9505 >>>> >>>> *EAST: Downtown* >>>> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >>>> ph: (213) 550-2235 >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.yelp.com/biz/blankspaces-los-angeles> >>>> <https://twitter.com/BLANKSPACES> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/blankspaces?trk=top_nav_home> >>>> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >>>> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >>>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Tabari Brannon <tkbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I missed it as well, is there a recording? >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 12:34:46 AM UTC-8, Ramon Suarez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I found out about it too late. 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