Tim Jenness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Works fine for me on linux and OSX with 5.8.8 and 5.10. Can you test
> the attached modified test please?
> 
> Should also fix the 5.005 failure.
> 

0.20 looks fine with all my perls.

Please note that there are some dot-underline files in the latest
File-Temp distribution:

$ ls -al
total 2192
drwx------      4 eserte  cpansand      512 21 Dez 21:49 ./
drwxrws--x  31010 eserte  cpansand  2098176 21 Dez 21:50 ../
-rw-r-----      1 eserte  cpansand       82 21 Dez 01:33 ._ChangeLog
-rw-r-----      1 eserte  cpansand       82 21 Dez 01:32 ._README
-rw-r-----      1 eserte  cpansand       82 21 Dez 01:32 ._Temp.pm
-rw-r--r--      1 eserte  cpansand    11248 21 Dez 01:33 ChangeLog
-rw-r-----      1 eserte  cpansand      257 20 Nov 08:32 MANIFEST
-rw-r-----      1 eserte  cpansand      561 21 Dez 01:44 META.yml
-rw-r--r--      1 eserte  cpansand      694  7 Nov 21:50 Makefile.PL
-rw-r--r--      1 eserte  cpansand    10690 21 Dez 01:32 README
-rw-r--r--      1 eserte  cpansand    71242 21 Dez 01:32 Temp.pm
drwxr-x--x      2 eserte  cpansand      512 21 Dez 21:47 misc/
drwxr-x--x      2 eserte  cpansand      512 21 Dez 21:47 t/

I think these are some special MacOSX files created by the buggy tar
in Leopard?

Regards,
    Slaven

> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > This distribution has been tested as part of the cpan-testers
> > effort to test as many new uploads to CPAN as possible.  See
> > http://testers.cpan.org/
> >
> > Please cc any replies to [email protected] to keep other
> > test volunteers informed and to prevent any duplicate effort.
> >
> > --
> > Dear Tim Jenness,
> >
> > This is a computer-generated report for File-Temp-0.19
> > on perl-5.10.0, created automatically by CPAN-Reporter-1.06
> > and sent to the CPAN Testers mailing list.
> >
> > If you have received this email directly, it is because the person
> > testing
> > your distribution chose to send a copy to your CPAN email address;
> > there
> > may be a delay before the official report is received and processed
> > by CPAN Testers.
> >
> > Thank you for uploading your work to CPAN.  However, it appears that
> > there were some problems with your distribution.  If these results are
> > not what you expect or if you would like to learn how to avoid FAIL
> > reports for missing dependencies, unsupported operating systems, etc.,
> > please consult "Notes for CPAN Authors" on the CPAN Testers Wiki:
> > http://cpantest.grango.org
> >
> > Sections of this report:
> >
> >    * Tester comments
> >    * Program output
> >    * Prerequisites
> >    * Environment and other context
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > TESTER COMMENTS
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Additional comments from tester:
> >
> > [none provided]
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > PROGRAM OUTPUT
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Output from '/usr/bin/make test':
> >
> > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl5.10.0t "-
> > MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/
> > arch')" t/*.t
> > t/cmp...........ok
> > t/fork..........ok
> > t/lock..........You tried to run a test without a plan at t/lock.t
> > line 8.
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/lock.t line 8.
> > # Looks like your test died before it could output anything.
> > Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
> > No subtests run
> > t/mktemp........ok
> > t/object........ok
> > t/posix.........ok
> > t/security......uid=1000 topuid=10 euid=1023 path='/mnt/i386/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build' at /mnt/i386/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/File-
> > Temp-0.19-YF7bYQ/blib/lib/File/Temp.pm line 688
> >     File::Temp::_is_safe('/mnt/i386/usr/local/src/CPAN/build',
> > 'SCALAR(0x67d048)') called at /mnt/i386/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > File-Temp-0.19-YF7bYQ/blib/lib/File/Temp.pm line 787
> >     File::Temp::_is_verysafe(., 'SCALAR(0x67d048)') called at
> > /mnt/i386/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/File-Temp-0.19-YF7bYQ/blib/lib/File/Temp.pm
> > line 483
> >     File::Temp::_gettemp('tmpXXXXX', 'open', 1, 'mkdir', 0,
> > 'unlink_on_close', 0, 'suffixlen', 0, ...) called at /mnt/i386/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/File-Temp-0.19-YF7bYQ/blib/lib/File/Temp.pm
> > line 1367
> >     File::Temp::tempfile('tmpXXXXX', 'UNLINK', 1) called at t/
> > security.t line 123
> >     eval {...} called at t/security.t line 123
> >     main::test_security(0) called at t/security.t line 68
> > ok
> > t/seekable......ok
> > t/tempfile......ok
> >
> > Test Summary Report
> > -------------------
> > t/lock.t    (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 0 Failed: 0)
> >  Non-zero exit status: 255
> >  Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
> > Files=9, Tests=102, 18 wallclock secs ( 0.05 usr  0.05 sys +  0.52
> > cusr  1.46 csys =  2.07 CPU)
> > Result: FAIL
> > Failed 1/9 test programs. 0/102 subtests failed.
> > *** Error code 255
> >
> > Stop in /mnt/i386/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/File-Temp-0.19-YF7bYQ.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > PREREQUISITES
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Prerequisite modules loaded:
> >
> > requires:
> >
> >    Module     Need Have
> >    ---------- ---- ----
> >    Fcntl      1.03 1.06
> >    File::Path 0    2.04
> >    File::Spec 0.8  3.25
> >    Test::More 0    0.74
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > ENVIRONMENT AND OTHER CONTEXT
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Environment variables:
> >
> >    PATH = /usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/perl5.8.0/
> > bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/pilot/
> > bin:/home/cpansand/bin/freebsd6.2:/home/cpansand/bin/sh:/home/
> > cpansand/bin:/usr/X386/bin:/usr/games:/home/cpansand/devel:/mnt/i386/
> > usr/home/e/eserte/work/srezic-misc/scripts
> >    PERL = /usr/local/bin/perl5.10.0t
> >    PERL5LIB =
> > /usr/local/src/CPAN/build/File-Tail-0.99.3-gY9e8E/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/File-Tail-0.99.3-gY9e8E/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/File-Scan-1.43-S7WUoS/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/File-Scan-1.43-S7WUoS/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.42-c70sy9/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.42-c70sy9/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Expect-1.21-ixttLh/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Expect-1.21-
> > ixttLh/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Event-1.09-ylp1VB/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Event-1.09-ylp1VB/blib/lib:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/Encode-2.23-rjMpO5/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Encode-2.23-rjMpO5/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Digest-
> > SHA-5.45-nn0jrv/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Digest-SHA-5.45-
> > nn0jrv/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Device-SerialPort-1.04-
> > vkGNO5/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Device-SerialPort-1.04-
> > vkGNO5/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-SQLite-1.14-KB4DaH/
> > blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-SQLite-1.14-KB4DaH/blib/lib:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-ODBC-1.14-QuQavC/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/DBD-ODBC-1.14-QuQavC/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Data-Dumper-2.121-rE8F6T/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Data-Dumper-2.121-rE8F6T/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-
> > SSLeay-0.57-BXk0r2/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-
> > SSLeay-0.57-BXk0r2/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-DES-2.05-
> > NrfKi1/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-DES-2.05-NrfKi1/
> > blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-CBC-2.24-Qk2t4r/blib/arch:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Crypt-CBC-2.24-Qk2t4r/blib/lib:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/CPAN-1.9205-c40Qe9/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/CPAN-1.9205-c40Qe9/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Convert-
> > UUlib-1.09-A30h3T/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Convert-
> > UUlib-1.09-A30h3T/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Convert-
> > ASN1-0.21-udU5kn/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Convert-
> > ASN1-0.21-udU5kn/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Con!
> > fig-IniF
> > iles-2.38-PM3VrD/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Config-
> > IniFiles-2.38-PM3VrD/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Compress-
> > Zlib-Perl-0.02-QIkpn4/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Compress-
> > Zlib-Perl-0.02-QIkpn4/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Carp-
> > Clan-5.9-RLc2N1/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Carp-Clan-5.9-
> > RLc2N1/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/BerkeleyDB-0.32-W5guPB/
> > blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/BerkeleyDB-0.32-W5guPB/blib/lib:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Authen-SASL-2.10-Bv5HKb/blib/arch:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Authen-SASL-2.10-Bv5HKb/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/Authen-PAM-0.16-WI3L7j/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Authen-PAM-0.16-WI3L7j/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/App-
> > Info-0.52-TFl9W4/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/App-Info-0.52-
> > TFl9W4/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/AppConfig-1.66-GPsKt4/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/AppConfig-1.66-GPsKt4/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Apache-Test-1.30-laULHY/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/Apache-Test-1.30-laULHY/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Apache-DBI-1.06-om9OoM/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Apache-DBI-1.06-om9OoM/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Time-
> > HiRes-1.9711-oKBKtI/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Time-
> > HiRes-1.9711-oKBKtI/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/libnet-1.22-
> > gTIhVR/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/libnet-1.22-gTIhVR/blib/
> > lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/HTML-Template-2.9-1vgsSh/blib/arch:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/HTML-Template-2.9-1vgsSh/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Digest-HMAC-1.01-Z4jHMo/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/Digest-HMAC-1.01-Z4jHMo/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Digest-SHA1-2.11-XIdAk7/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Digest-SHA1-2.11-XIdAk7/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-
> > Pg-1.49-Lin66R/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-Pg-1.49-
> > Lin66R/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Date-Manip-5.48-H4dv8F/
> > blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Date-Manip-5.48-H4dv8F/blib/lib:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/CGI.pm-3.31-tHwuWZ/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/
> > C!
> > PAN/buil
> > d/CGI.pm-3.31-tHwuWZ/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/XML-
> > Parser-2.36-SeKwQA/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/XML-
> > Parser-2.36-SeKwQA/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/MIME-
> > Base64-3.07-VRKf4r/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/MIME-
> > Base64-3.07-VRKf4r/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/GD-2.35-qaBgfo/
> > blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/GD-2.35-qaBgfo/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/DBD-mysql-4.005-maRQ3c/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/DBD-mysql-4.005-maRQ3c/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > DBI-1.601-jUaAhG/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/DBI-1.601-
> > jUaAhG/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/IPC-Run-0.80-aWxs29/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/IPC-Run-0.80-aWxs29/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/libwww-perl-5.808-A9WKc1/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/libwww-perl-5.808-A9WKc1/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/HTML-Parser-3.56-y9ApkZ/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > HTML-Parser-3.56-y9ApkZ/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/HTML-
> > Tagset-3.10-2HhPZa/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/HTML-
> > Tagset-3.10-2HhPZa/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/URI-1.35-
> > XcGHxA/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/URI-1.35-XcGHxA/blib/lib:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Digest-MD5-2.36-QIM0ig/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/Digest-MD5-2.36-QIM0ig/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Storable-2.18-9ED9BL/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Storable-2.18-9ED9BL/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Archive-
> > Zip-1.23-mwy8Ej/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Archive-Zip-1.23-
> > mwy8Ej/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/IO-Zlib-1.08-vuVPvM/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/IO-Zlib-1.08-vuVPvM/blib/lib:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Compress-Zlib-2.008-YEVffD/blib/arch:/usr/local/
> > src/CPAN/build/Compress-Zlib-2.008-YEVffD/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/Test-Pod-Coverage-1.08-qEuwYk/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/Test-Pod-Coverage-1.08-qEuwYk/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/Pod-Coverage-0.19-id2Rj7/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Pod-Coverage-0.19-id2Rj7/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > Devel-Symdump-!
> > 2.08-Hni
> > HiC/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Devel-Symdump-2.08-HniHiC/
> > blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Module-Build-0.2808-rgAgkJ/blib/
> > arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Module-Build-0.2808-rgAgkJ/blib/lib:/
> > usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Archive-Tar-1.36-KHKDVp/blib/arch:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Archive-Tar-1.36-KHKDVp/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/PathTools-3.25-I7huhD/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/
> > PathTools-3.25-I7huhD/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/YAML-0.66-
> > KpRc1H/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/YAML-0.66-KpRc1H/blib/
> > lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-Pod-1.26-TRoVDO/blib/arch:/usr/
> > local/src/CPAN/build/Test-Pod-1.26-TRoVDO/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/
> > CPAN/build/Pod-Simple-3.05-ZoSCf6/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/
> > build/Pod-Simple-3.05-ZoSCf6/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Pod-
> > Escapes-1.04-dFVQjW/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Pod-
> > Escapes-1.04-dFVQjW/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > NoWarnings-0.084-xIqPqt/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > NoWarnings-0.084-xIqPqt/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Tester-0.106-AL5Jcj/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Tester-0.106-AL5Jcj/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Exception-0.26-U9CQlD/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Exception-0.26-U9CQlD/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Sub-
> > Uplevel-0.18-BQrCs1/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Sub-
> > Uplevel-0.18-BQrCs1/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Simple-0.74-7ZOm4Y/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Simple-0.74-7ZOm4Y/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Reporter-1.38-erWDVn/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Reporter-1.38-erWDVn/blib/lib:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Harness-3.05-Unn8mZ/blib/arch:/usr/local/src/CPAN/build/Test-
> > Harness-3.05-Unn8mZ/blib/lib
> >    PERL5_CPANPLUS_IS_RUNNING = 59673
> >    PERL5_CPAN_IS_RUNNING = 59673
> >    PERL_HTML_DISPLAY_CLASS = HTML::Display::Mozilla
> >    SHELL = /usr/local/bin/zsh
> >    TERM = xterm
> >
> > Perl special variables (and OS-specific diagnostics, for MSWin32):
> >
> >    $^X = perl5.10.0t
> >    $UID/$EUID = 1023 / 1023
> >    $GID = 1023 1023 1023
> >    $EGID = 1023 1023 1023
> >
> > Perl module toolchain versions installed:
> >
> >    Module              Have
> >    ------------------- -------
> >    CPAN                1.9205
> >    Cwd                 3.25
> >    ExtUtils::CBuilder  0.21
> >    ExtUtils::Command   1.13
> >    ExtUtils::Install   1.44
> >    ExtUtils::MakeMaker 6.42
> >    ExtUtils::Manifest  1.51_01
> >    ExtUtils::ParseXS   2.18_02
> >    File::Spec          3.25
> >    Module::Build       0.2808
> >    Module::Signature   n/a
> >    Test::Harness       3.05
> >    Test::More          0.74
> >    YAML                0.66
> >    YAML::Syck          0.99
> >    version             0.74
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 10 subversion 0)
> > configuration:
> >  Platform:
> >    osname=freebsd, osvers=6.2-release,
> > archname=amd64-freebsd-thread-
> > multi
> >    uname='freebsd biokovo-amd64.herceg.de 6.2-release freebsd 6.2-
> > release #0: fri jan 12 08:32:24 utc 2007
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:usrobjusrsrcsysgeneric amd64 '
> >    config_args='-D usethreads=define -Dprefix=/usr/perl5.10.0t -
> > Dusemymalloc=n -D cc=ccache cc -Dgccansipedantic -de'
> >    hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
> >    useithreads=define, usemultiplicity=define
> >    useperlio=define, d_sfio=undef, uselargefiles=define,
> > usesocks=undef
> >    use64bitint=define, use64bitall=define, uselongdouble=undef
> >    usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
> >  Compiler:
> >    cc='ccache cc', ccflags ='-DHAS_FPSETMASK -DHAS_FLOATINGPOINT_H -
> > fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include',
> >    optimize='-O2 -pipe',
> >    cppflags='-DHAS_FPSETMASK -DHAS_FLOATINGPOINT_H -fno-strict-
> > aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include'
> >    ccversion='', gccversion='3.4.6 [FreeBSD] 20060305',
> > gccosandvers=''
> >    intsize=4, longsize=8, ptrsize=8, doublesize=8, byteorder=12345678
> >    d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=16
> >    ivtype='long', ivsize=8, nvtype='double', nvsize=8,
> > Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=8
> >    alignbytes=8, prototype=define
> >  Linker and Libraries:
> >    ld='ccache cc', ldflags ='-pthread -Wl,-E  -L/usr/local/lib'
> >    libpth=/usr/lib /usr/local/lib
> >    libs=-lgdbm -lm -lcrypt
> >    perllibs=-lm -lcrypt
> >    libc=, so=so, useshrplib=false, libperl=libperl.a
> >    gnulibc_version=''
> >  Dynamic Linking:
> >    dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' '
> >    cccdlflags='-DPIC -fPIC', lddlflags='-shared  -L/usr/local/lib'
> 
> -- 
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