At Fri, 11 May 2001 02:47:12 -0000, "Wayne Rad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Unless you plan to support all the major IM protocols- and get
>>crypto to work inside each one- writing a brand new IM application
>>with a new format is a total waste of time.  What I think
>>escapes this group sometimes (often?) is the Fax Machine Problem.
>>One fax machine is useless.  90 million fax machines are useful.
>>This is why Gale is entirely useless for most people. It might be
>>cool and have great crypto but no one I know uses it.
>
>I'm not surprised no one you know uses it because I haven't finished
>writing it. :) But I'm aware of the "network effects" issue. It's
>certainly a possibility that people won't use the program that I
>developed because it won't reach a critical mass of users.

I'm glad you're spending time developing it then.

>>How hard can it be to just copy out the text, encrypt it to a
>>preentered key, encrypt it and paste it back into the window
>>when the user hits the send button?  Christ.
>
>If you're going to manually cut and paste, PGP can already encrypt
>from the clipboard, so I don't think anybody needs this.

Send 200 IMs this way and then tell me that there is no need.

Why is it such a problem to just automate cut-encrypt-paste transparently 
to the user to a pre-determined symmetric key with an existing IM application 
like IM?  What the hell?  This should be a huge issue for cypherpunks.  
IMs are a killer app right now.  Why wouldn't there be some effort to try 
and secure the traffic that runs through a few of the major ones?

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