Tim Writes:
> Such lawsuits are inconsistent with a free society. More generally,
> the whole idea of torts, outside of contract law, is bogus. The
> belief that one party can sue another based purely on the notion of
> "damages," when no contract or consideration or concrete property
> right was present is bogus.
That would imply that only criminal and not civil action could be employed
when someone is injured or made less wealthy by the actions of another, in
the absence of contract, consideration, or concrete property right.
This would seem to be moving in the wrong direction, in a society where
too many things are already illegal, and more things are becoming illegal
with each passing day.
We need to replace silly laws with torts, not the other way around.
At least torts are paid for by the people involved in the torting.
> (This misapprehension is what is leading to Alice the Property Owner
> suing John her Neighbor because she believes his unkempt front yard
> is hurting her property values. Yet can John send her a bill if he
> plants a beautiful front yard and Alice's apparent property value
> increases?)
This is a bad example.
If Alice puts up a sign on her house that says "Danger to Children Next
Door" because John reads Playboy, and Alice thinks Playboy exploits Womyn
and Children because she's a Dworkinista, I think John has every right to
sue the bitch when he gets fired as a Disney VP, and the sexually
frustrated Oprah fans on his block start telling everyone that he's a
NAMBLA member.
If Alice does this to John on a Website, and perhaps in concert with a
virtual community of Alices to others as well, and institutes a "child
safety program" to share her suspicions electronically with LEAs
worldwide, then I think John has a very good case that all things
belonging to Alice should be made things belonging to John, and Alice
should be enjoined from playing with her computer until she learns to
behave herself.
> If someone points out that Eric Cordian is a homosexual pedophile,
> this is what a free society is all about.
If someone points out that Tim May has 6000 lbs of Ammonium Nitrate and
Fuel Oil in his garage, owns a veritable arsenal of guns, and wishes to
water his lawn with the blood of Treasury Agents, some might suggest this
is a free society at work as well.
Of course, Tim might not see the humor when the tanks roll up. :)
Just as the First Amendment does not give someone the right to yell
"Fire!" in a crowded theatre, it does not confer the right to call someone
a "child molester" in front of an angry mob.
Particularly when most people who get called child molesters these days
get called that because of their politics and social critique, and not
because they are acquainted with any children. I'm not acquainted with
any children, and yet everytime I criticize the latest "child protection"
law from the FunnyMentalists in Congress, most of the responses from the
Oprah-enabled dead battery crowd presume I have dead sodomized children
buried in my basement.
> Thinking some judge or jury will decide what is "truth" is nonsense.
So I take it you don't favor ANY libel laws, even when the disinformation
is disseminated with deliberate malice and intent to do harm?
Let me know when you take over, so I can move.
>> So what we really have evolved here is the Soviet-style virtual
>> neighborhood, with the nosey woman on every block, reporting back to
>> the higher-ups in the Party on everyones political leanings and
>> loyalty, to be added to their Party files, implemented in a distributed
>> fashion via IP.
> This is just now dawning on you?
I've been aware of it for some time, but it seemed to be a point which
dovetailed with the web site under discussion.
>> This aspect of the Net has now overwhelmed the "Worldwide
>> Conversation" on every conceivable topic which the Net originally
>> enabled. I know few people today who would take a politically
>> incorrect position on any controversial topic from a real name account,
>> lest the Virtual Vigilantes and other do-gooders of the world decide to
>> screw with them, their families, their jobs, their landlords, and their
>> bank accounts.
> I say what I think, whether it offends the lesbians, the "people of
> color," or the Jewish power elite.
> If they try to screw with my job, fat chance. If they try to screw with
> my landlord, impossible. If they try to screw with my bank account,
> hasn't happened yet. Somehow I doubt the Militant Bald Lesbians Against
> Whitemale Oppression will be able to convince my banks and brokerages to
> fiddle with my accounts...they answer to the higher authority of
> reputation.
You are not the typical individual. You're retired, a person of
independent means, and you have your own home.
If you rented your housing, had your only income from a job where you
could be fired at will, and had kids in the public school system who could
be given a hard time, it is highly likely you wouldn't be giving public
lectures on the "Jewish Power Elite" underneath the giant Swastika.
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Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
