Our own kindler, gentler "Tim McVeigh" wrote: > The question is, when does the State > have a 'right' (only people can have > rights, the State acting as a proxy > for the wronged) to interact with > you at all? Ie, when are others > being forced? Correct. In constitutional terms, the state derives it's powers by delegation from the people. If the people may not do something, than the state may not (legitimately) do it either. Lysander Spooner took this one step further. He said the US constitution only bound those who signed it. It therefore is not binding on anyone alive today unless they have personally taken an oath to be bound by it (i.e., government officials). Works for me. S a n d y
