>>> "Julien Pierrehumbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/07 2:09
PM >>>
Wages are not part of socialism because you would not let
money exist in
socialism? And you say that if there is money there's no
socialism?
Rather, if you lived in socialist society and you found a
bag of money you would maybe use it for wallpaper. You
surely wouldn't put it in a bank, cause you would remember
those only from hsitory. No capital, no investments, no
accumulation. I like your use of the word 'computing' in
this context. Computers would help us a lot in deciding who
needs to get what.
This
makes sense, but I'm not sure to follow you.
BTW, what's the point of computing use-values if you don't
want to transform
them in exchange value? My spontaneous speculation is that
you could get rid
of computing use-values completely if you want no market. Am
I right?
Well marxists distinguish - I am trying not to adopt a
lecturing tone here - between the lower and higher stages of
socialism. I've only been talking about the lower. But sure
you're right, more highly evolved ethical beings would
simply take what they needed and leave the rest for the
needs of others. But those are not human beings as we know
them right now. Right now we could imagine computing the
amount of value that X has produced and say that X could
appropriate just that amount of the social product, but in a
non-accumulable and non-transferable form, i.e. not in the
form of money. So there would still be some notion of value
(labour time calculations) in this transitional society.
This is a transition from capitalism and we haven't even got
close to it yet, partly because bolshevism substituted
something else, which I have loosely referred to as 'state
capitalism' for this notion of socialism. This is a very
unfortunate legacy that now has to be got out of the way
somehow. But at least we can say that that's what socialism
ISN'T.
Tahir
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