>>Oh yes! It's called state capitalism, for want of a better
>>term. This is not rocket science: the state owns the banks;
>>the bureaucrats control the state; the bureaucrats are a
>>bureaucratic capitalist class. Capish?
>
>OK, here's your only point in the  whole post. 
>I did not consider that because I think that if there is only one
capitalist (the 
>state) who has nearly total power over society, the incentives for 
>accumulations are inexistent or of a different nature (I answered to your
linking 
>of money and accumulation). Besides, state capitalist accumulation can of 
>course happen without money.


The other point that needs to be made here--as the discussion begins to
drift--is how this highly sectarian bit of trotskyism was inserted.  Lenin
refered to state capitalism as a stage in the construction of socialism
under specific historical circumstances, but the bit about bureaucrats
becoming a class (an indefensible distortion of the marxian concept of
class) is "not rocket science" for good reason--it is a grotesque
oversimplification for a polemical purpose.  This is from the standard
Fourth International playbook, where SC has become shorthand for a very
flaky premise upon which an essentially counter-revolutionary argument is
constructed.  The response to this polemical cookie points at just one of
the logical fallacies with the whole construct.



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