Ken: This list has been the scene of a number of perorations all regurgitating the two-value logic which the Cold War writ large: it's either imperialistic capitalism or State socialism, either the West or the East, etc. Though these recent rabble-rousings do not use such dated terminology, the underlying message remains the same: the only hope against advanced capitalism is some mass (street/guerilla) action, probably in the Third World, then by contagion elsewhere. Tahir: I personally don't feel the need to respond to this mode of thought, which is just as hackneyed as the caricature you present above. I don't see why anyone should be pressured into responding to a position that they have no sympathy with and find irrelevant. But I did come across this little passage last night when reading Jacques Camatte that does speak to our friend here. For good measure I'll throw in another longer one just below that which speaks nicely to our issues on this list. OK here's the first one: What has to be perceived is a dynamic. We are slaves; our goal is not to become masters, even without slaves, but to abolish the entire dialectic of master and slave. This goal cannot be realized by the establishment of communities which, always isolated, are never an obstacle to capital, can easily be surrounded by capital, and are no more than deviations in relation to its norm (deviations that make that norm visible for what it is). Ken, if you don't identify with the above personally, I really don't mind that much. You probably won't identify with this second longer one either then, but I love it, especially in the context of this list: Communism is first of all union. It is not domination of nature but reconciliation, and thus regeneration of nature: human beings no longer treat nature simply as an object for their development, as a useful thing, but as a subject (not in the philosophic sense) not separate from them if only because nature is in them. The naturalization of man and the humanization of nature (Marx) are realized; the dialectic of subject and object ends. What follows is the destruction of urbanization and the formation of a multitude of communities distributed over the earth. This implies the suppression of monoculture, another form of division of labour, and a complete transformation of the transportation system: transportation will diminish considerably. Only a communal (communitarian) mode of life can allow the human being to rule his reproduction, to limit the (at present mad) growth of population without resorting to despicable practices (such as destroying men and women). Oh what the hell, here's one last one for the Stalinists still amongst us The struggle against reduction of the amplitude of the revolution is already a revolutionary struggle. Just thought I'd share these with you. Regards Tahir _______________________________________________ Crashlist resources: http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/crashlist
