Jo, That's an important point, possibly the same one that Mark is trying to get me to address in a more heavy-handed way (being moderator and all . . .). I will try to elaborate on this question when I have time over the weekend. But to give a quick, off-the-cuff response to your point for the moment: coopareatives are not inherently any more or less ecologically-minded thatn their capitalist counterparts. HOWEVER: as the biggest inducement to ecological calamity is the profit-motive, and as cooperatives tend to give less emphasis to that (and do not have the sword of Damocles called a profiteering board of directors demanding that they put the bottom line before all else), the cooperative model is naturally more conducive to ecological concerns, since there is no strong counterforce to oppose it, and also because the social utility which must be an attribute of the process finds a natural philosophical extension in the PROCESS of production, hence, environmentalism would find a! natural place in the planning and process of cooperatives over time, I hold. There! If I don't find time to elaborate it over the weekend, at least the synopsis is published. Thanks for raising a good point. (I hope Mark will find this answer satisfactory, and/or comment on it). Peace, Ken Ken Julien and Tom, I have some single word responses... SUSTAINABILITY, HOLISTIC and with the awareness of ECOLOGICAL, much of which was not in our consciousness even in the past, much has to be re-thought, not necessairluy re-chewed. If something worked for a while, or cannot contiue to work, it is not sustainable and I believe this is key for this millenium. If it only worked for awhile it was disabling until it collapsed, because the system used non renewable resources or used up human capital. Note: However I am hoping the Mondragon people are becoming more: aware conscious and green, or THEY will not be sustainable ecologically. Everything being inter connected and related one has to look at preventions for potential Crashes HOLISTICALLY right? We are not speaking of automobiles, that one might keep them on the road with constant good maintenance, or work at keeping them on the road as vintage models, elegant interesting or fun, even fair transport! But self sustaining? jo* ------------------------------------------------------------ ((( GREAT DEAL: Home Depot: Home Improvement 1-2-3 on CD-ROM ))) Get it FREE! at: http://nettaxi.free-irewards.com ( plus S&H ) _______________________________________________ Crashlist resources: http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/crashlist
