Tony, I agree completely that the capitalist system must go, lets get
that straight. What I don't agree with is that we all sit around with are
thumbs up our asses until the crash rips the foundations of capitalism
apart. That day may still be a ways off, and I personally think we can do a
lot of good, even if capitalism remains strong for some time, although we
should, and probably must, be working to weaken the system even as we fight
for changes within it.
My argument with you is your all or nothing attitude, which I see as self
defeating. Why not work towards making a better world now, this may mean
collaboration with social dems, and (gasp!) even liberals. And yes I do
agree that many gains won will be attacked immediately under our current
system. However at the same time we will be building a bigger, more
effective mass movement that will be essential if our goal is to get rid of
this rotten system.
Bye for now Tony, I need a drink,
Aaron.
>
>Hi Aaron, I don't want to drive you to 'a return to an alcohol and drug
>induced stupor' or a 'random act of violence', but the future is pretty
>grim.
>
>These 'gains' you talk about, are in the process of being done away with
>in the industrialized north. Remember what it took to put the
>'fear' into the ruling elites when these social gains of the past were
>made
>
>It would be a disaster to force reform from the capialist ruling classes
>again, while still falling short of removing them entirely from power.
>
>Many on this list have focused on how wayward the Soviet Union went, and
>do not want a repeat of this. But what about the failure of the
>Social Democrats' reform of capitalism. What a miserable thing to
>try to keep emulating.
>
>Reduced to its essence, the Social Democratic mindset is the
>following..... Let the sewers run over in the streets a block over, let
>savage dogs run wild attacking the children, let hunger reign supreme on
>those folks..... just as long as this block-OUR BLOCK- stays tidy,
>clean, orderly, and peaceful.
>
>If the many list members find marxism to be a stale, old, boring routine
>of those lost in the past..... think about it for a second. How much
>more stale, boring , and irrelevant is the traditional Social Democrat
>(or liberal) scurrying for their infinitesimal reforms by way of voting
>a 'good' candidate in. This incremental mindset is a sure disaster
>of doing absolutely nothing.
>
>At least an honest marxist approach offers you the possiblity of drug
>and alcohol induced stupor. Take advantage of the theoretical
>possibilities! Now get going!
>
>Tony
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