Carrol, 
Thank you for further clarification on marxism. 
I now realise clearly  it seems to me to encourage more involvement in
theorising, pontificating, and diatribes than either my personality or
(my) llife has time for. I am drawn to new language new perspectives. In
a vein of thought. 

I am done with and have done the  'narrative' of  my life (raising, 
feeding, parenting,  caring-taking, of specific individuals in the
world's population, those  I  (re)produced or who produced me). I 
dedicate my time for the rest of my life to designing or modeling
sustainable solutions. Facilitating the implementation of better-systems,
and supporting those systems that are already seen to be working,
(sustainable) as part of my day to day comittment to be being part of the
solution and not part of the problem.. 
 
As to the Struggle and the Crash, I prefer to WORK with the  Struggle. I
would rather see tired worn out systems fall away, being dismantled,  as
new and better ones burgeon simultaneously,  than the destruction of a
dam wall that surely  washes away much more than what is  undesirable.  I
am personally done with the  talk, (unless it is new and "imaginative") 
it is time for the walk. There is an urgency to finding  the  paths,
routes and roads to be walked. Being aware of crashes,  and  sensing a
Crash, implies that  Recovery plans are needed for the latter yes, and
preventitive/healing systems for the former situations? If we are not
motivated by the urgency (for solutions),  then are we not  merely
'talkers'? 'How much talk does  it take to change a plan? A Plan?'
(rhetoric only) .

Or are we seeking to Inspire  the New and Imaginative? To inspire or
attract someone, like the inventor of the web or internet, ( my apologies
for not recalling or mentioning his name, help someone?) to come up with
a powerfully positive creative concept that has  the qualities of
complexity , simplicity and immediacy of the information highway? (Hah!
who said the Atlanteans were destoyed by their own technolgy?) 
 
( I suspect that when I do get to reading the simpol website I may  find
some examples  of what I have in mind... simultaneous actions)

With the impact on  global dynamics of   billions of dollars changing 
hands in  nanoseconds, (on e commerce) there is an urgent need for new
and imaginative thinking as the antidote and the safety net? Right?

We need to develop and spread the 'infintely' small actions that likewise
will create global  dynamics ( we too have this tool for sharing the
thought in nanoseconds).   Like a counter-acting virus! A
healing-in-action!

We need Inspired Thought. What would be conducive to more of the new and
inspirational on a  list? CyberBrainstorming? 

I thank you again Caroll for helping me to clarify at least where I stand
within this  crash discussion!  (I have nothing particular against
crystal balls, but in their absence give me compassionate action any
day)jo* 

 
Thank you also for reminding me of  Rosa Luxemburg  and giving her credit
. The winter day I first learned of this remarkable woman I had an
accident. Friends were astonished to see me  arrive,  with a cane and a
limp  at a movie on her life,  thinking I was assuming her gait
deliberately. I now refer to that significant winter as my 'Rosa
Luxemburg winter', continually and painfully  reminded as I was, for
months, of her life, her work, and her assasination. jo* 

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:31:23 -0500 Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Thankyou Carrol, for your response.   I will mull on the 
>ramifications of
>> this information. Under its self proclaimed marxist leader, I 
>wearied of
>> the daily impact of how marxism 'was'/'worked',  in my part of 
>Africa.
>> Sustainable, I think not.  jo*
>
>There is a statement Marx made late in life to a reporter that also 
>helps
>to get a grip on the core of marxism. At the end of the interview, 
>the
>reporter, probably half joking, asked, "What is?"
>
>After a long pause, Marx answered: "Struggle."
>
>Out of Marx's analysis of capitalism comes a recognition of the
>necessity of socialism (in Rosa Luxemburg's framework: socialism
>or barbarianism"), but Marx offered no recipes, no blueprints for
>the future. Socialism is not a "system" installed the way you install
>a new operating system in your computer. It is a field of struggle.
>What it is can only be determined in the process of struggle to
>overcome capitalism and in continual struggle (with no guarantees
>of the outcome) to build socialism concretely. Marxists have
>no crystal balls (Mao said that).
>
>Carrol
>
>
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